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Posted 3/28/2017 8:19 PM (GMT 0)
Has anyone had any success using the Doug Coil? I just learned about its existence a couple of days ago. My wife is desperate with terrible weakness, headaches, foggy thinking, etc, etc.
Posted 3/28/2017 8:38 PM (GMT 0)
Truze, I just saw your question on Mario's thread. Most people here that are using this sort of treatment use various forms of rife, like Spooky 2 and some of the more expensive models.

You can use our search function at the top for more discussions on Doug coil, and rife by typing either of them, and then typing "Lyme" into the search. That will keep you to this group.

I want to encourage you to also read our intro "New to Lyme?.....start here". It's the first topic.

It has so much good, and critical information in there for getting to the point of healing from these infections, it's invaluable for people new to the forum and some of us that have been here awhile.

Has your wife tried to get tested? You might want to consider taking her to an LLMD (Lyme literate MD) for treatment. If you want information about that, let us know and we can help you.

Like, if you want locations for where they are near you, you must go to your profile and edit it where you put your email in to have the box checked for showing your email. This will only be visible to other members.

Then start a thread titled "Looking for an LLMD near___________(entering your location)

Post Edited (julymorning) : 3/28/2017 2:41:04 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 3/28/2017 9:35 PM (GMT 0)
Just to let you know that I have used one and had success with it. I couldn't get to the clinic where I used it often so I ended up getting my own DC contact machine. I use it as part of my therapy along with herbs.

If you have any questions please ask away and I will answer what I can smile
Posted 3/29/2017 7:36 AM (GMT 0)
Just bumping this so Truze doesn't miss it smile
Posted 3/29/2017 1:21 PM (GMT 0)
Thank you, silly sheep and July morning. She has already been diagnosed and has been dealing with it for years. However, her symptoms have skyrocketed and doxycycline is not having any effect. Her LLMD is expecting to switch to Bactrim in three more weeks, but I'm not expecting that work anymore either. I just ordered dogs book and Brian Rosner's book about RIFE. Is one type of dog coil better than another? Are there many Lyme disease sufferers hole have gotten some results? Are these machines safe to use?

She has an appointment today with a neurologist to see if there might be any other reason or some relief for these continual headaches all day long.
Posted 3/29/2017 2:46 PM (GMT 0)
Hi there Truze, I am so sorry to hear about your wife and I hope that I can help you to help her.

Reading Brian Rosner's book will be a great start to understanding the different types of rife machine available. Like I said I started using the Doug Coil at the clinic. There were many patients there (as the Lyme support group met at the same time as the coil treatment was given) and I met a couple of people who had healed completely (and returned to help out there) and others in various stages of treatment who were getting good results. I myself have found rifing to work extremely well for me.

First of all it is safe to use. You do have to find the right frequencies that work best for the individual and the infections and strains of them, but there is a wealth of information on this (you will find many in Rosner's book and others online).

Doug coils are one type of Rife machine (they are all the same with the exception of having a greater or lesser diameter of coil depending on who has built them). They are however notoriously hard to come by as they are not commercially built, they are also expensive. That said I would have purchased one if I could of, it just wasn't viable for me since I live in Greece (and no one there makes them and my Lyme brain was too bad for me to make one myself, even though I am a

As you will read in the book there are also other types of Rife - I have a DC contact device - all of which work along the same principle, but it is worth researching these as many purported Rife machines available do not function as Rife machines at all. I can tell you the functions that you need to look for in a machine if you need any information on them if you needed to look at alternatives to a Doug coil, although the book covers much of that too.

I will find the link to the forum for rife users and post it here for you too.

I hope your wife has some success with the neurologist, please keep us posted. I will tell you that successfully treating my Lyme got rid of my headaches completely, so there is hope!!

Any other questions you have I will be more than happy to help you with - good luck!!
Posted 3/30/2017 3:53 AM (GMT 0)
Oops! I mistakenly described the next planned part of her treatment as Bactrim, but it should have been Biaxin.... sorry
Posted 3/30/2017 4:00 AM (GMT 0)
Silly Sheep, its great to hear that someone has had some success with this. Do you know if Doug McLean, the original inventor of the Doug Coil, is making any of them for anyone?

The neurologist said that my wife has no known neurological disease that matches her symptoms. Ruling out standard neurological disorders leads us back to the path of trying to find a solution for her Lyme Disease ... ....
Posted 3/30/2017 9:14 AM (GMT 0)
This guy has the dank coils with fans to cool them as they get hot ...the freq gen is important too as programmable one will alow you to run sets ...i @m using a plasma machine and believe in its effectiveness ..if you havent seen the ted talks with anthony holland i highly recommend as a paramecium is easily destryed with rf and 11th harmonic ...

there are plans for free download if you are tech saavy ...
www.coilmachines.com/

another maker /www.coilmachinesnw.com/useful-information.html
Posted 3/30/2017 10:29 AM (GMT 0)
Well, I guess it is good that the neurologist didn't find anything thst could complicate the issue- hmm, that's my odd optimism for you :-/

No, I don't believe that Doug makes them, but thete are people who make them to order in the u.s. I will have a look for some names for you.

Honestly they are not really that complicated to make, the parts can be expensive mind, but there are very few components. I don't know how tech savvy you (or if you know someone who is) and you do need a few construction skills and understanding of basic electronics.

I have a power point step by step instruction guide that I was given by the guy who made the one for the clinic where I went. I know that one worked! I can email it to you if it would be of use? Even just so you could compare the components to one you wanted to buy??
Posted 3/30/2017 6:22 PM (GMT 0)
Siily Sheep, thanks for the offer of the instructions, but I am sure I will be able to get one built for us in the US.

hi silly sheep. This is Norma, mike's wife. My first experience withh lyme and bull's eye was thirty years ago and was treated promptly and got better Since then although very careful, I have had several more lyme infections with bull's eye. In 2008 was treated with Biaxin for eight months and got better. Now I had tick bite but it wasn't one that carried lyme according to testing of the tick but I got symptoms again. Now it is in my brain and cognitive function is so changed. I am not recognizing myself cognitively. Very bad headaches and neurological cognitive changes. Neurologist at Yale, says nothing to do with Lyme on his exam and says Lyme doesnt survive treatment with doxycycline. Found out Yale doesn't believe in Chronic Lyme. Neurologist would not consider doing a spinal puncture to check the fluid that bathes my brain. I feel lyme has entered the cerebral spinal fluid and is changing me in a fundamental manner. Has anyone ever had severe cognitive changes? I am almost housebound and was very active. This is so different from all the years in my history with lyme that Im questioning if there is any help. Mike is wonderful to try to help me find a way back. In summary, I rambled about me but I want to say the neurologist had his mind made up before he saw me. I appreciate your input and your kindness.
Posted 3/30/2017 7:58 PM (GMT 0)
Hi there Norma, I am very pleased to meet you, welcome to the forum, I am so glad that you posted smile

Firstly let me say that your encounter with the neurologist sounds exactly the same as mine. He had mad up his mind before I opened my mouth. He did some cursory tests and then suggested I was schizophrenic (?) not sure how he arrived at that conclusion (I have no past medical history of, well anything since childhood measles aged three) and said it was either that or I was faking the whole thing.

I too had an EM rash, but that too was dismissed. I have had numerous tick bites (I live in a wooded area and I am a very outdoory person) and I also worked with dogs as a groomer (some of which were in therapy for TBDs. I only got the one rash, although when I started treatment I got very tender patches of skin in areas I had been bitten previously. I don't know quite what that means.

The doc is wrong - Lyme can and does survive doxy, in fact doxy can cause the lyme to go into a 'dormant' cystic form so the bacteria 'hide' from it and it doesn't matter how long you take it for the lyme simply comes out of hiding once the abx are stopped.

I suffered very severe cognitive changes. I could write quite an extensive list, but fundamentally it resulted in me becoming someone quite, quite different to who I am. You are not alone in that respect, many here will say the same.

What I do want to say on a positive note is that these changes have reversed, almost entirely, with treatment. My treatment is still ongoing but I am confident of making a complete and full recovery.

Please keep posting, keep asking questions and we will be happy to help you and your husband in whatever way we can!
Posted 3/31/2017 4:29 PM (GMT 0)
Silly sheep, I am re-reading one of your earlier posts where you indicated that you used a RIFE machine at a medical clinic in Greece. Am I understanding that correctly? Are there other medical clinics in the world that use them as well?
Posted 3/31/2017 6:42 PM (GMT 0)
Ah, sorry, I live in Greece but I actually returned to the UK (where I am from) for diagnosis - which I couldn't get in Greece - and found a clinic in the UK where I was diagnosed and started treatment. The use of the doug coil rife machine was a free option so that patients could try it and return as often as they wanted for treatment with it if it worked for them (the treatment sessions are run once a week (like I say this was free). As I found this treatment beneficial I got my own machine because I returned to Greece so couldn't attend the UK clinic. I got an AC contact device which has the same effect on me (ie herxing and improvement)

As far as I am aware there are no LLMDs in Greece and no Rife machines either! But then we 'don't have Lyme in Greece either', hmmm ;)

There are other clinics that use them. I have heard that there are clinics in the US where rife treatment is an option, but unfortunately I cannot give specifics and I don't know if you have to pay to use them. Some one else may chime in and be able to help you out with that question. If no one else posts here you could start another thread asking that question to draw more peoples attention to it.
Posted 3/31/2017 9:16 PM (GMT 0)
this is norma.. hi silly sheep.
I would like to ask if you developed more and more weakness as time went on. I do not sleep at night either. Wake every couple of hours. This bout has been eight months and I now feel pain through the night but mostly weaker in my arms, legs to the point where i feel my eight pound dog weighs a ton. Stairs seem too much now. Also weird that I have pain, and numbness going on at the same time.

My neurologist and your neurologist must be related.
Posted 3/31/2017 9:59 PM (GMT 0)
Hi Norma! Ah ha, I think all those particular neurologists are related when it comes to lyme. There are some great ones out there but none living near me, lol!!

Yes, is the simple answer. I was dog grooming and got bitten (by ticks ad well as the odd pooch) several times over about 5 years. One such bite left me with an EM rash.

Since I didn't know what it was I didn't get immediate treatment. Long story short over the course of the following 18 months or so I just got weaker and weaker. I struggled with stairs or walking any sort of distance (I was mad active before this!!) My pains increased, mostly in my knees and wrists. I was dog tired all the time but could never stay asleep for any length of time. Like you I would wake every hour or two through the night. Of course sleep deprivation like this also increases the feeling of pain and general weakness, and decreases your bodies ability to fight infection, so it is also a vicious cycle.

The last of my symptoms at the moment are the pain/numbness combo - its a weird one alright - primarily in my hands and forearms. For me I think this bartonella though I am still treating for Lyme too.

The symptoms you describe are common lyme symptoms. Some symptoms can also be caused or exacerbated by co infections, I don't know if you are familiar with these or have been diagnosed with them? There is a good list on the 'New to Lyme.....' sticky where you can read about which symptoms may be attributable to what.

I hope that helps a little??
Posted 4/4/2017 1:30 AM (GMT 0)
Hi Silly Sheep. Thanks for your insights. We are ordering a Doug Coil....

Can you remember how long your first session was? How many feet away from the machine you were? ... or what frequency you chose to begin with?

Did you experience a Herx with the treatments?
Posted 4/4/2017 2:28 AM (GMT 0)

Truze said...
Oops! I mistakenly described the next planned part of her treatment as Bactrim, but it should have been Biaxin.... sorry

I quickly read through the posts - but to clarify - is your wife only on one antibiotic at a time?
Mono therapy is not recommended...It should be at least two antibiotics taken simultaneously.
Posted 4/4/2017 7:03 AM (GMT 0)
I am so glad you have managed to get one sorted, I hope it works for you as it has for me!

Yes I can. My first treatment was on one frequency (610 hertz) and only for 2 or 3 minutes. I felt absolutely nothing while in front of the machine (although some people report a slight 'tingling' - it depends how sensitive you are to EMF - but nothing unpleasant).

The coil was at back height, parallel to my back, when I was seated in front of it and I was only about 30 centimeters away (though you can be further, the effect covers quite a distance, what that is depends on the size of the coil and the amount of power - the person who builds it for you should be able to give you specifics).

My herx started about an hour after treatment and was quite severe. I slept for hours after!!

I only had treatment once a week and new additional frequencies weren't introduced for a while. Some people reported that had no response to the first frequency, so on their subsequent visits different frequencies were tried until the found the one or ones that caused a herx. It depends on which strain of lyme you have - and there are many!!! I got lucky with my first go, but it can take a little experimentation. Some found that they herxed a few days after treatment so do NOT rush to try others, it takes patience, time and a little experimentation to find what works.

I now use a set of about 10 different frequencies that I rotate through, depending on my herx from them. I also use a set of frequencies for Bartonella too. More than one frequency will usually be required for effective treatment.

Just a couple of things - make sure the coil is well away from the frequency generator parts and keep mobile phones and wireless devices off and other electrical equipment well away (like in another room) so you don't fry them, or get interference.

Also detox REALLY well BEFORE treatment as well as after, drink plenty of water afterwards too.

I have been using rife alongside Buhners herbal protocol (not abx), specifically using herbs to boost my immune system and to support and repair my body. That was a personal choice as others choose abx and they can be used in conjunction with the rife too. There is lots of info about herbs on this site and Burhners book, Healing Lyme, published last year is a wealth of info too. There are other herbal protocols too. Don't forget that repairing the damage done by the lyme is as important as killing it often.

If there's anything else you'd like to know, please just shout smile

Good luck!
Posted 4/10/2017 11:54 PM (GMT 0)
Hi Silly Sheep,

Thanks for sharing your original frequency and for the explanation of the times and your herx experience. We've got the Doug Coil set up, but haven't fired it up to see if everything works as expected. Once I've figured out how to control it, we will be phasing our treatments in very slowly .... like 5 seconds at 8ft, then 10 seconds at 6 ft the next day or later to see if we can control the herx experience. Was the placement of the coil behind your back a standard treatment position?

Hi. This is Norma. Questions are many from me if You have the time. How do you detox other than water. I drink about 3 liters a day now. Also, I don't know how to tell if I am having a herx reaction since my symptoms are so severe and then over the moon weakness, stiffness, head and vision difficulties. Last night, I couldn't walk. Had I tried the Doug Coil yesterday, I would have thought I was having a Herx reaction. I am wondering if you slept for hours as a herx reaction or out of relief from your symptoms? I thank you for your time Silly Sheep.
Posted 4/10/2017 11:58 PM (GMT 0)
Hi Girlie,

Thanks for the advice about the antibiotics. We are scheduled to see an integrative doctor next week and are hoping that he will have some additional guidance for using antibiotics with herbs or other modalities.
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