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Posted 3/31/2017 10:27 PM (GMT 0)
I finished week two of Mepron, minocycline, Artemisinin, zithro.
One week M/W/F
Second week M-F (5 days)

So, I'm on the week off now...Day 7 - and I think I am sweating more...not drenching...but periodically throughout the day...I am sweating - face, back and backs of hands (weird place)

I'm sweating as much or more now after stopping for 7 days - maybe even more than I was last week when taking it.
First few days after stopping it, all my symptoms were worse than when I was on it...
Accumulation of toxins = herxing?
Finally had a decent sleep last night...my sleeps have been interrupted since the Mepron.

It just seems strange for the symptoms to get worse after stopping it...my herxing pattern used to be - that when I stopped abx, the herx would subside...usually within a day...or two...
Posted 3/31/2017 10:41 PM (GMT 0)
You know I don't have any experience with all that, other than herxing and sweating.

I wouldn't calling herxing so much as your body is de-toxing itself. Make sure you stay plenty hydrated, don't forget to replace mineral salts lost, and keep your pores open.

Have you checked to see if you're running a low grade fever? If so, that would not necessarily be what I'm thinking.

ETA: you didn't specify other symptom increases, would that be pains? Twitches? Again, that would be more in the herxing field or increased organism activity, not simply your body sweating the toxins out.
Posted 3/31/2017 10:43 PM (GMT 0)
I really can't be of help either, just curious if you had sweats prior to babs treatment? if so, frequent?
Posted 3/31/2017 10:44 PM (GMT 0)
Hey - I think sweating is an actual side effect of mepron:
www.rxlist.com/mepron-side-effects-drug-center.htm

And sleep problems!
Posted 3/31/2017 10:48 PM (GMT 0)

k07 said...
I really can't be of help either, just curious if you had sweats prior to babs treatment? if so, frequent?

Prior to starting the Mepron, I would wake up in the early morning with some sweating and a tad of anxiety...and then maybe again in the late afternoon or early evening - I would have a sweating episode - lasting a couple minutes.

But, it's like every couple of hours now...
Posted 3/31/2017 10:50 PM (GMT 0)

julymorning said...


ETA: you didn't specify other symptom increases, would that be pains? Twitches? Again, that would be more in the herxing field or increased organism activity, not simply your body sweating the toxins out.

No twitching ( they pretty much resolved with lyme/bart treatment) and my pain is about the same as it was when taking the Mepron.

Some pressure in my head increased while taking the Mepron...and didn't subside when I stopped...it's a bit better today, though.
Posted 3/31/2017 10:51 PM (GMT 0)

k07 said...
Hey - I think sweating is an actual side effect of mepron:
www.rxlist.com/mepron-side-effects-drug-center.htm

And sleep problems!


But I'm not on it now...This is Day 7 off it...I doubt if the side effects would stay that long?
Posted 3/31/2017 10:52 PM (GMT 0)
True. Missed that part (-:

But sounds like it could be the sleep issue
Posted 3/31/2017 10:52 PM (GMT 0)
I dont have any opinion on this either, but we are on the same meds but I am not pulsing the abx, just taking them all at once (pulsing art). I never had sweats before, and dont have them now). I feel like my chest palps have gotten a little better, but I feel like anxiety has increased a bit. Other than that, no other noticable changes. Right now I am off my abx because my LLMD wants me to stop taking them while I am taking diflucan for yeast.
Posted 3/31/2017 11:16 PM (GMT 0)

k07 said...
True. Missed that part (-:

But sounds like it could be the sleep issue

Would a side effect of a med last 6 nights though?

At least the nightmares didn't continue with treatment - that was a horrible side effect.
Posted 3/31/2017 11:19 PM (GMT 0)

cindy22706 said...
I dont have any opinion on this either, but we are on the same meds but I am not pulsing the abx, just taking them all at once (pulsing art). I never had sweats before, and dont have them now). I feel like my chest palps have gotten a little better, but I feel like anxiety has increased a bit. Other than that, no other noticable changes. Right now I am off my abx because my LLMD wants me to stop taking them while I am taking diflucan for yeast.

How long were you on the Mepron?
Hope it continues to help with your chest palps...that must be an awful symptom to have!
Posted 3/31/2017 11:23 PM (GMT 0)
Girlie, have you noticed the odor of the sweat? If you noticed those things try to remember if it's the same now as it was before Mepron?

I'm still wanting to think it's your body's immune system sweat shedding the toxins out of you.

And it's a possibility you could feel a little herx with that in the effort.
Not too unlike the delayed herx some here complain of after a sauna treatment.
Posted 3/31/2017 11:29 PM (GMT 0)
No odor to my sweat lately.

Although ive had a few occasions when I sweat - and it was am awful odor just in one armpit ...and then a few weeks later I sweat and the other pit only stank.

Can't make this stuff up if I tried.

July, I don't know if it's just my body detoxing causing the sweating because I've been detoxing throughout my treatment and this is an uptick in my sweating without increasing my detox.
Posted 3/31/2017 11:58 PM (GMT 0)
I dunno. I don't have those episodes as much as I used to when I was running fevers during the day, and night, but when I do wake up soaked in the morning, I usually think to myself "Huh! my body must have been trying to cook out an infection overnight."
Posted 4/1/2017 12:04 AM (GMT 0)

julymorning said...
I dunno. I don't have those episodes as much as I used to when I was running fevers during the day, and night, but when I do wake up soaked in the morning, I usually think to myself "Huh! my body must have been trying to cook out an infection overnight."


I have never had a fever with these infections....or fatigue...that's why I kept passing by Lyme disease when I was Google crazy trying to self diagnose.
Posted 4/1/2017 12:06 AM (GMT 0)
Girlie I know you know my situation but the exact same thing happened to me after Cycle 1 Week 2 (M-F). My severe increase in symptoms didn't really kick in until day 4 out of 5 and didn't really die down in any appreciable way until 9 days after finished Week 2. Yup 9 days LOL.

My guess the bombardment of medicines to kill off the pathogens evoked a long and drawn out cleaning up process by your body. I also think the immune system is going into gear combating these new threats that were previously hidden in the nooks and crannies of your body but now exposed.

I'm quite in tune with my symptoms so early on after finishing the week I knew they were herxes. By day 5 or so it felt like the old symptoms were back but what I think is happening is the immune system is fighting for me not the medicine since it's all out.

I think the whole cycle/pulsing approach is an effective way of delayering the infections and getting you to a better place over time. Dr. J said his average patients take 9-15 months for recovery and he claims 95% success rate over the last 7 years of treating quite a few folks.

Highly doubt you're having a side effect that many days later just doesn't make much sense.
Posted 4/1/2017 12:13 AM (GMT 0)
Thanks Rikky.

Hopefully tomorrow will be even better - and I will have a couple decent days before I'm back on again!


I agree - that's a long time for a side effect to last - unlikely.
Posted 4/1/2017 2:34 PM (GMT 0)

Girlie said...
No odor to my sweat lately.

Although ive had a few occasions when I sweat - and it was am awful odor just in one armpit ...and then a few weeks later I sweat and the other pit only stank.

Can't make this stuff up if I tried.

July, I don't know if it's just my body detoxing causing the sweating because I've been detoxing throughout my treatment and this is an uptick in my sweating without increasing my detox.

NO odor? Okay, now I AM jealous!!! LOL! My body is detoxing like crazy and my sweat always stinks from those toxins!!! I hate it! LOL!

And, I've had that happen too - where only one armpit stank! It was really strange!

I do hope that today is a better day for you!!!
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