Knee "injury"

Well, you need to narrow it down to structural or nerve as a cause, or lyme, some more detective work on your end can help figure this out. Ifs its only from lyme then theres not much but time on your side (but you run too dont forget). All runners have some type of pain in there life.

Since you've been here a while, have treated lyme, did it change you knee pain? Most lyme joint issues also have obvious inflammation. So since you dont know if its only lyme or other issues, make use of your time and experiment to rule out non-lyme causes, since you have to wait for lyme anyway.

Is it IN the knee or around it? What limits the bending? - tightness, or sharp pain (so your brain tells you to stop)? It can be a combination to.

As a structural test- Tightness can be figured out by deep massage or aggressive poking-proding adjacent areas.

When my knee hurts its from tension by my inner adductors muscles. Many runners have outer IT band issues pulling on the upper TFL and then the knee on the low side. Very common.

The knee has to float in its position tension free for no pain. Pulled out of place from attaching muscles will make it hurt.

No self luck? - then I'd suggest finding a chiro ot PT who does manual soft tissue work (literally hands on). Just cracking wont solve mysteries- avoid those chiros.

I think a lot of athletic people have structural issues already and lyme just makes it worse. Before ABX, I over dosed on NSAIDS (per drs) and iced a lot. Helped but only temporary, and gut an ulcer from NSAIDS later.

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Lyme spirochetes love collagen. It is the primary nutrient Borellia requires for survival. The microbes prefer collagen rich tissues, such as joints, brain, muscle, eyes and skin.

Try ibuprofen and ice the knees.

For me that was so helpful. Lyme did not like those cold ice packs. Don't put ice directly on the skin so it will hurt you. Wrap the ice in a cloth.

Thanks for the thoughts!

Astro... Good sleuthing questions, thank you! I've had that runner outer IT band issue in the past and this feels different. Feels like maybe the IT band issue was a baseline weakness and so the lyme set up shop there. That's just my intuition. I'd say the pain is all inside and around the knee. It may look a little inflamed, or I may just be "seeing" that it hurts ;) If I touch it all around the kneecap it's tender, and my whole leg is tight and sore but I think that's just from being tense around it knee hurting. It's a sharp pain that prevents me from bending it and makes stairs hard, but it doesn't feel sharp in that nerve way. I'd say it feels like major and strange inflammation.

Trav, Totally makes sense. Anti-inflammatories, thank you!

Peetza -- yeah it feels like it's all interested in the collagen, exactly!

and Girlie.. You know this HAS come with what feels like a return of general bartonella symptoms. I've been a bit complacent about treatment for the past 6 months... I did an EBV treatment and then I think an ineffective candida treatment, and then it's like I just tuned out, needed a break from thinking of myself as someone with lyme. It actually feels like some strong denial that it hasn't occurred to me in all these months that the throbbing knee is lyme-related. Feels like my body yelling at me to tune back in and pick up the fight.

marigold33: I have very similar pain in my right knee. It only hurts when knee is under load (like standing or walking). When I stand I can't make full bend because of the pain. It developed in just few days without any reason. I made lots of diagnostics including MRI and it shows that everything is fine. I have also pain in my feet and in the back so I came to conclusion that lyme or other bacteria must be causing this.