Lithium Orotate and Puerarin

Hi 10LymeB

I am not familiar with the Lithium Orotate or Puerarin. Hopefully others will be along who are more helpful.

But I did want to mention the same concern you have - I don't want to be on "mood lifters" on a regular basis and want my body to do it on its own. But from my experiences, I think that is a pipe dream for me right now, given the way the Lyme & Co infections, viral loads, endocrine and hormonal imbalances, GI disruption, yeast/fungal overgrowth, and other impacts on the body can affect your neurotransmitter functions that create the mood imbalances.

And, mid-treatment, it's also really really complicated to determine what to fix, how to fix it. I think it can be done, but there's so much noise and it's so difficult to understand what issue or what combination of issues are driving the neurotransmitter imbalances so that you can implement a permanent change.

So, I say, do what you can do that makes the illness and the treatment process easier on the mind, which is easier on the body. Be kind to yourself. Once things calm down, and you've knocked out more of the infection, the treatment becomes more simplified, maybe that's the time to solve the mood mystery...

-p

Lithium orotate is a salt form of the element lithium; its in the ground and we need it for proper methalation.

Not much different than taking magnesium or iron.

The very high doses of the RX lithium is different.

Dietrich K. , M.D, Ph.D., author of “Lyme disease: A Look Beyond Antibiotics”:

“Lithium-orotate… in low doses (15 mg/day) has been shown to protect CNS structures from neurotoxin damage” (12)
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It means, it will protect your brain and nerves from herxes, heavy metals.
It is not a drug.

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I bought recently many of VFT products, and one of it is lithium.
The advantage, it is just the 'imprint' of lithium in water.

This little extract below explains what are the advantages of 'phantom atoms of lithium' when compared to 'real atoms of lithium'.



http://www.vitalforcetechnology.com/uploads/images/downloads/The%20Optimist%20Magazine%20-%20Interview%20with%20Yury%20Kronn%20Spring%202016.pdf

The bottles of water, with their distinctly different energy “patterns,” all have
an identical chemical content: water.

That’s why Kronn talks about “phantom atoms.”

The atoms are not there, but their impact is. This gives him a big advantage.

For example, lithium is used in modern medicine as a strong antidepressant.

However, lithium also has a significant negative effect on the liver.

Kronn’s phantom atoms can replace chemical elements used for treatments and

thus avoid the negative side effects.

10LymeB said...
Can anyone share their experiences on Lithium Orotate and Puerarin? These are two new supplements my LLMD wants me on. I'm not sure about either. I know Puerarin is kudzu, right? As for the Lithium Orotate, I'm not sure I want to be on any kind of mood lifter on a regular basis. I really want my body to start doing it on its own.

When we have Lyme, there are so many biological pathways in our body that become much less efficient because we lack the elements, nutrients, or vitamins we need for the reaction to occur. When this happens, the body struggles to find the catalysts and substrates needed for the reaction to occur. It uses alternate substrates and the pathway can continue but with much less efficiency. Lithium is one of the elements that becomes depleted. It is used in and around the mitochondria (blocks the phosphorylation of GSK3) and it ultimately helps reduce oxidative stress in the mitochondria. Over the counter lithium comes in 5mg, 10mg, and 120mg. I like to use the lowest dose that works for anything so I like the 5mg. I wouldn't worry about taking such a low dose as the prescription strength of lithium is usually 300mg taken multiple times a day. There is even a 450mg extended release prescription strength.

Other than replenishing depleted lithium stores, decreasing insulin spikes would be beneficial as that would reduce GSK3's effects. GSK3 does many things inside our cells but over expression of it causes problems when we have Lyme. Eating 5 or 6 small meals a day would be beneficial in reducing oxidative stress. Eating fewer carbohydrates with a high glycemic index would be helpful. IMO, eating more alkaline foods would be helpful.

Just a FYI, but Tryptophan uptake is the limiting factor in serotonin synthesis. It is believed that low doses of lithium reduce the degree at which Tryptophan uptake is the limiting factor in the regulation of serotonin synthesis. In a nutshell, if you are depressed, low doses of lithium may help.

Pirouette said...


But I did want to mention the same concern you have - I don't want to be on "mood lifters" on a regular basis and want my body to do it on its own. But from my experiences, I think that is a pipe dream for me right now, given the way the Lyme & Co infections, viral loads, endocrine and hormonal imbalances, GI disruption, yeast/fungal overgrowth, and other impacts on the body can affect your neurotransmitter functions that create the mood imbalances.

And, mid-treatment, it's also really really complicated to determine what to fix, how to fix it. I think it can be done, but there's so much noise and it's so difficult to understand what issue or what combination of issues are driving the neurotransmitter imbalances so that you can implement a permanent change.

So, I say, do what you can do that makes the illness and the treatment process easier on the mind, which is easier on the body. Be kind to yourself. Once things calm down, and you've knocked out more of the infection, the treatment becomes more simplified, maybe that's the time to solve the mood mystery...

-p

I am going to print this out and hang it on my wall!

does lithium orotate cause mood swings or anger as a side effect? I took it for the first time a couple of days and within hours got extremely upset over a really small thing. the only thing I could attribute this is the Lithium.

Astroman:

HPU = KPU

http://www.publichealthalert.org/kpuhpu-a-major-piece-of-the-puzzle-in-overcoming-chronic-lyme-disease.html

I think the article can explain better what HPU is about.