bvt thread

WV Mike- you may want to slow it down a bit. How long have you been stinging, and are you Detoxing? Sounds to me like you you are herxing. Ive been stinging for 2 years next month, and by the 3rd to 4th month was herxing so bad I was horizontal. I would seriously have to lay down I felt so bad. Detox, detox, detox!!! Then detox some More! Debi E says treatment is 80% detox, and she knows BVT. Ellie has a great video on detox, and both these people are quite knowledgeable on the subject. Epsom salt and peroxide bath on non sting days worked best for me. Do not deviate from the protocol, 10-12 stings on the back 3 times a week. The rest of the days are for detox. This is powerful stuff, sometimes more is not better. And no head stings till at least 6 months, I waited till one full year. I only do 16-18 a session and I've stung thousands of time.

There are mixed schools of thought on dosing and mixing with abx herbs ...i am bigger so 12 -14 was a good dose .also our russians are hot little peppers .especially in the summer ...the sweet carniolians from cali i need a few more ...every other is good because of the adrenal stress. One canadian bee keeper thought the same rationale more is better and he totally crashed his adrenals ,like cushings crash...
i think this why the vic at high doses os so crucial ...
it become addictive .i remember jonesing to sting so i could feel human again for a while ...it starts to suck less and less...one day after 1.6 year i woke up and was like wow this doesn't suck...

what meds are you on mike ?...to function even now i live on bee pollen and ginseng in small doses to push the envelope ...i moved a friend this weekend for 3 days with 3 flights of stairs , remodled a doorway,built a hive and wrenched on my motorcycle ...

bluelyme: When I read the following page, I wasn't sure whether to laugh or shake my head in confusion. Either way, I thought of you. Why? This guy mentioned bee venom suppositories!

thesupermandiet.com/detox-2

WV Mike said...
The Dude, that site reminds me of a South Park episode.

hahaha...that's a good way to describe it.

WV Mike- I am currently on nothing else but BVT at the moment. After years of oral abx and some herbals, I put my health in the hands of mother nature. And I've felt better than I have ever felt. I work 10-12 hrs days now no problem. Also bout a year ago, I was at the dentist, and after lingering perio problems for years, he said my gums looked great. He said, I see you finally started brushing, joking around. And then said whatever you're doing don't stop. I'm not planning on it lol this isn't a one sting cures all, this is a journey. You will get better, just takes time. It took years for the pathogens to take root in your body, it takes years to eradicate them

Getting them out during the winter is one of the reasons i was considering a venom collector. Not sure what im going to do yet. I'm thinking maybe collect a couple weeks worth on any day that is 40f or above. Hate to break the cluster but they do fly for cleansing flights on the 40+ days. Problem is can't count on 40° days and i work all day until well after dark. They should be fine for a couple of weeks with a wet sponge and a few drops of honey every other day. Maybe a small screen cage kept on a dark quiet place. An observation hive would be great for this but i dont have one and don't want to add one. We are trying to fix this house up for sale, the plan was to start construction on a new home on 45 acres this year or at least get the excavation and driveway done but lymes put that on hold. I already have a 75 gallon reef tank built into the wall that i'm probably going to have to remove or find a buyer thats into aquariums. I will ask some other beeks to see what they suggest about removing the bees during the winter. If i come up with anything useful i will post it here.

I saw where soneone was putting a glass jar over the inner cover hole at night and putting a flashlight on it. Tne light attracts the bees up into the jar. Easy enough but not sure how it would work a very cold temps, thinking it wouldn't. Others say they just use a hive that they are willing to lose.

Ok here it is what we have been waiting for this .this is eva sapi definitive proof that bee venom works !...gram neg may need addl help but this is the research that we need
thanks to sheeks for showing me this .if your in the sw ask for my email and i would love to help anyone wanting to begin bvt
www.mdpi.com/2079-6382/6/4/31/htm

Does anyone know of an apiary in california that will ship to LA? Thanks !

Can anyone tell me the best time to start stinging (for the first time) for someone in a cold climate?
Also, nobody seems to know the answer to this for sure, but since I'm on very low doses of heparin for a PICC (just for flushing it), would that be counterindicated? (or the meds themselves: doesn't seem like it, but good to know).

I've been considering trying this and I have a few questions. I apologize in advance if they have been asked and answered here already. I have read some of the posts on this thread but not all just yet.

So, my understanding is this works for lyme and coinfections? Does this include Neuro lyme? Also would it help mold toxicity or just lyme and co? What about things like adrenal issues, possible neurotransmitter issues etc?

I also understand using real bees is much more effective than ordering the powder and self injecting, is this also correct?

I have been taking a bee pollen supplement the last couple weeks just for the heck of it really. Saw it in the store and said why not? So far though, I have not noticed any difference in taking. I think I would need to take it in concert with the stings for that?

And finally, I'm a big chicken and can't order bees and self sting. I have a fear of them going back to childhood and no one around really who would assist me with stinging. How can I find an apitherapist where I live who could do this?

Thank you all in advance.

Thanks gaby.

So does it make you herx a lot? Are there instructions in these groups about where/ how to sting? I'm just trying to imagine doing this myself.

Have you felt any improvements in a month? I'm assuming it would take a while.

bluelyme: you should definitely compile your work into a book.

http://www.lyme-beevenom.com/?page_id=243

that is a link for BVT protocol.

You should read the whole thing before starting.
the goal is to work up to 10 stings 3x a week, take 3-4000mg of Vitamin C every day to support the adrenals is a must and you must do this for a week or two before beginning.
It is better to go slow and ramp up by one sting every week. I go even slower than this and am doing one every 1.5 weeks or so. If i start to herx really bad I stop and take a break. you can start up at the same number of stings even when you take a small break.