Herxing bad should I skip a dose?

Psilociraptor said...
Skip a dose. Make the next dose smaller if you can. This has happened to me several times and the problem is if you don't grab the reigns real quick it can become catalytic. You have to stave off relapse while allowing your body to detox. Sometimes i just have to stop all together. Take a dose every time i feel symptoms come on, smaller and smaller til i'm off... then start again at a smaller dose. One of the things i don't like about these aggressive antibiotic therapies. Healing isn't supposed to be totally miserable. In fact i wouldn't be suprised if these bass-ackwards bacteria loved all that inflammation. I keep my herxheimers minimal. Just strong enough that i know it's working. And i let myself adjust to that dose. Sometimes i'll wait a few weeks to make sure no new symptoms cycle through. Then i'll increase it a little bit and repeat. Sometimes i have to start at microdoses to avoid saturating my toxin load. I don't know if you have that much flexibility with IV rocephin. I've never used it. But compared to tablet antibiotics this is one reason why i really like herbs. I can split a dose into 1/1000ths if i need to. For reference i'm taking knotweed and found i had to take 1/4 the MINIMUM recommended dose in order to tolerate it without feeling like i'm dying. Gradually over several months i am now up to the minimum dose and doing okay. Last time i thought i was dying

I think I'm glad to hear this advice psilociraptor. This is pretty much how I've been managing my herbal titration but wondering if I'm too much of a wimp. Llmd recommended 10-20 drops bid of the mc-bab-2. I've been on it for 22 days now and am up to a whopping 3 drops bid. Like you, I'm keeping the herxes to a tolerable level. This last increase has me feeling worse but not horrible. Do you suffer through mild to moderate herxes til they subside?

WV Mike, I hope you see some better days real soon.

Mike the Japanese Knotweed we generally take is made from the root of it. According to Buhner it has about 100 beneficial attributes, but primarily it calms inflammation.

You've probably read mention of Stephen Buhner and his Healing Lyme books. 2nd edition I have and it goes into great detail of it's properties (the knotweed)
/www.beneficialbotanicals.com/lyme-disease-help/japanese-knotweed-supplement.html


Just a side note, be aware that as good as honey is for us, sugar can become a problem when we have Lyme.
Be watchful for new weird symptoms and yeast overgrowth.

Post Edited (julymorning) : 6/3/2017 1:22:21 PM (GMT-6)

Skipped two treatments and starting to feel a little better. Going to skip one more dose today and then resume treatment to tomorrow with probably just a half dose.

Please do keep detoxing heavily! Remember that the 'storm' has calmed, but that only means the levels of the toxins are down - not gone.

BJD, as someone that has lived through some very severe herxing, it's not worth it to allow it to happen. Mild to moderate herxing is tolerable, as long as we are detoxing well, but to push past that is not smart - no matter how long it takes to get up to 'suggested doses'. This is because the herxing can quickly go into what is known as a cytokine storm, which can be life threatening.

This is a really good article about cytokine storms, herxing, and die off:
www.treatlyme.net/treat-lyme-book/herxheimer-die-off-reaction-inflammation-run-amok/

Glad you're feeling better, Mike! Good idea...give it another day.

Mike- Knotweed is also a strong antibacterial and antiviral among other things like antioxidant, immune modulator, etc.

BJD - yeah I generally try to get a little herx. Just enough to know that it's working and then I just try to ride it out. Sometimes if I wait to long I start to get symptoms where I can't tell if I'm still herxing or relapsing because they're becoming resistant. I've been worrying about that a tad lately but I suppose borrelia don't become resistant very easily. But at that point I'll usually up the dose anyways. the main goal is just to make sure I'm tolerating it. Small doses allow me to go up or down as needed without huge consequence. There is no worse feeling on this planet as having to stop treatment because you're too toxic, start relapsing and acquiring new symptoms, and then start from the beginning. Over time I've actually gotten dramatically worse from incomplete treatments. It's like I pissed them off and they decided to infect new tissues