Bart and Babesia symptoms

Hi Mike -

There is a lot of info online. You also might want to check out this questionnaire that is used to help determine the dominant infection:
Jernigan's symptom list:
www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=3673749&g=3673789#m3673789

Also - there is a list in the New to Lyme? post by "Cajun Girl" which includes a spreadsheet.

-p

Here's one article but it fails to mention that some people have very painful soles of their feet.and can have shin pain, Achilles pain with Bart.

https://www.lymedisease.org/lyme-basics/co-infections/bartonella/


Babesia may cause air hunger, headaches, chills, sweats,nausea and more.

https://www.lymedisease.org/lyme-basics/co-infections/babesia/

Rikky1 said...
i like these 2 articles on gordonmedical

www.gordonmedical.com/unravelling-complex-chronic-illness/babesia-like-organisms-bablo-consideration-signs-and-symptoms/

www.gordonmedical.com/unravelling-complex-chronic-illness/bartonella-like-organisms-blo-consideration-signs-and-symptoms/

I read an article by the gordon medical guys that made an interesting statement about symptoms. They used an analogy of having all 3 b's is like mixing 3 different colors ; you get something different than the individual 3 colors . True or not? Interesting Idea.

Burrascano guidelines description of babesia and Bartonella differ somewhat from others I've read.

Burrascano says:

BABESIA SPECIES-
· Rapid onset of initial illness, often with sudden onset of high fever, severe headaches, sweats and
fatigue, thus it is easy to know when infection began.
· Obvious sweats, usually at night, but can be day sweats as well.
· Air hunger, need to sigh and take a deep breath; dry cough without apparent reason.
· Headaches can be severe - dull, global (involves the whole head, described like the head is in a vise).
· Fatigue is prominent, does not clear with rest, and is made worse with exercise.
· Mental dullness and slowing of reactions and responses.
· Dizziness- more like a tippy feeling, and not vertigo or purely orthostasis.
· Symptoms cycle rapidly, with flares every four to six days.
· Hypercoaguable states are often associated with Babesia infections.
· Rarely, splenomegaly

BARTONELLA & ”BARTONELLA-LIKE ORGANISMS”-
· Gradual onset of initial illness.
· CNS symptoms are out of proportion to the musculoskeletal ones- if a patient has no or minimal joint
complaints but is severely encephalopathic (see below), then think of Bartonella/BLO.
· Obvious signs of CNS irritability can include muscle twitches, tremors, insomnia, seizures, agitation,
anxiety, severe mood swings, outbursts and antisocial behavior.
· GI involvement may present as gastritis or abdominal pain (mesenteric adenitis).
· Sore soles, especially in the morning.
· Tender sub-cutaneous nodules along the extremities, especially outer thigh, shins, and occasionally along the triceps.
· Occasional lymphadenopathy.
· Morning fevers, usually around 99. Occasionally light sweats are noted.
· Elevated vascular endothelial growth factor (VEGF) occurs in a minority, but the degree of elevation
correlates with activity of the infection and may be used to monitor treatment.
· Rapid response to treatment changes- often symptoms improve within days after antibiotics are begun, but relapses occur also within days if medication is withdrawn early.
· May have papular or linear red rashes (like stretch marks that do not always follow skin planes), especially in those with GI involvement.

I dunno what to believe.

Post Edited (BJD55) : 6/11/2017 7:06:45 PM (GMT-6)