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Posted 9/2/2017 10:52 AM (GMT 0)
Hi everyone, I have been on this protocol for about a month, and have definitely noticed good overall results. I still herx from time to time, mostly after taking the probiotic, but I am going to stick with it for at least another month. For anyone familiar with the protocol, does it seem like I'm doing this right? Any suggestions about what I might change?

I mixed in some additional ingredients to the protocol as well. They are as follows:

Twice daily, about 12 hours apart, I take a dose of:
- Andrographis (800mg Pill Form)
- Grapefruit Seed Extract (600mg Pill Form)
- Cat's Claw (1000mg Pill Form)
- Organic Pure Cordyceps (525mg Pill Form)
- Skullcap (425mg Pill Form)
- Red Sage (550mg Pill Form)

After this, I wait approximately 45 minutes for all of the pills to start digesting, and then take an oral liquid dose of:
- Japanese Knotweed Extract Tincture (30-40 drops)
- Organic Liquid Stevia (10-15 drops)
- Protein Essentials Hydrolyzed Collagen (1 Heaping Scoop in water)

about 5-6 hours after these two initial doses, I take a refrigerated probiotic with acidophilus.

Then, after an additional 5-6 hours, for a total of about 12 hours after my first initial round of doses, I take the 2nd round. Again, taking the pill form ingredients about 45 minutes before taking the Japanese knotweed and stevia. They only thing I omit from my 2nd round of doses is the hydrolyzed collagen - I only take that in the am.

This treatment protocol comes on the heels of taking Ceftin orally for about 2 1/2 months ending in April / May for a positive IGENEX Lyme Lab Test, after which my LLMD re-tested and advised that my results had come back negative, and no further treatment was necessary, as I just needed to rest and allow my body to recover on it's own. So I've taken the summer off and decided to try out the Buhner Protocol for a few months just to be sure. I will be reaching back out the LLMD after I'm done with the protocol to re-advise, as I am leaps and bounds better than before seeing them, but by no means fully recovered. I was originally diagnosed with Lyme in 2010, and this is my 6th Dr. and 4th round of antibiotic treatment. At this point, I'm just so over it and want to make sure I'm doing everything right on my end so that this will *hopefully* be the last time I have to go through an aggressive treatment process. I need to be able to get out of bed and back out into the real world and resume normal life again, and I refuse to accept that this is going to be a life-long, incurable, disabling disease for me.

Any input would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!

Post Edited (Intuition) : 9/2/2017 5:39:16 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 9/2/2017 1:49 PM (GMT 0)
This looks good to me, especially if you are seeing improvements.

If you get to a standstill (no improvement) then you can re-evaluate your protocol. But, since you "have definitely noticed good overall results" just hang in there because now is the hard part. Being patient and letting time, along with the herbs, do their work.
Posted 9/2/2017 5:25 PM (GMT 0)
Looks good, Intuition.

A few things:

- If you get to a point where you're not herxing or improving...you may need to up the dose of the herbs. You may need higher doses to get to full healing.

- Are you going to incorporate some herbs for the co-infections at some point?
Posted 9/3/2017 3:36 AM (GMT 0)
Girlie,

I know I've read on here before that Lyme rarely travels alone and it's important to treat co-infections as well, but both of my IGENEX tests for co-infections came back negative for all of them. I know that even these tests can be highly inaccurate, but I wouldn't even know where to begin when it comes to treating co-infections. If I do happen to have any, how would I go about figuring that out? Also, are there any herbs / protocols that seem to work well for ALL or many of them? I don't mind spending the money, but I know from experience how quickly all of these herbs and protocols start to add up, and I don't want to just start throwing darts at the wall with treatments, hoping that something will stick.

Any insight or advice on this would be greatly appreciated.
Posted 9/3/2017 4:05 AM (GMT 0)
I would give the Lyme treatment you're on a good amount of time - if you plateau - even after raising the doses and you've been on it for some months - then you could look into adding some Bart or Babs Herbs.

Japanese knotweed is part of Buhners Bartonella protocol.
Along with Houttuynia, Sida Acuta.

A good herb to take is Hawthorn as it supports the heart/cardiovascular system. Bartonella is known to affect our heart and blood vessels.

Babesia Herbs - Cryptolepis, Sida Acuta and Bidens Pilots.
Posted 9/3/2017 4:40 AM (GMT 0)
Girlie and 1000Daisies, Thank you. I am going to look into these herbs and possibly add them to my Buhner Protocol just to be safe.

Since these are all "infections" after all, I wish we could come up with some kind of blanket protocol with a mix of herbs / tinctures that could collectively cover all of the bases and effectively combat all of these co-infections at the exact same time. This way, no matter what co-infection you have, this mix would be able to fight every single one of them.

I know there are a lot of herbal suppliers out there that cater specifically to supplying these kinds of ingredients to people suffering from Lyme and co-infections - if someone was able to come up with this kind of a mixture, I'm sure that there would be a way for the suppliers to offer it at some kind of discount to make it more affordable than buying each herb on its own.

I know this touches on what many of you already said, but, just a thought..
Posted 9/3/2017 5:13 AM (GMT 0)
There are some combination herbals.
The CSA that Woodland Essence makes..

And Green Dragon Botanicals has a Lyme combination in capsule form.

But - if you have a reaction to one of the herbs - you won't know which one it is. So some people prefer to take them all individually - at least to start.

As far as a combination for Lyme and coinfections - not everyone has Bartonella, Babesia, mycoplasma - so you won't need all the herbs.
Posted 9/3/2017 8:45 AM (GMT 0)
I agree with Daisy about the fact that Lyme is not only an infectious disease but also an immune system disease.

The Chinese have combined herbs for thousands of years. They know that they cannot combine all herbs at once.

If you practice energy tests, you can see that some herbs don't mix well with others, in a similar way that plants prefer some plants to others in nature and avoid others.

There are biochemical mechanisms explaining how plants interact with other plants which could explain why some plants thrive when near certain plants but grow less or even get ill near other plants.

I particularly get extreme reactions with combined products and would rather take everything separately or make my own combinations.

I would advise you to take food probiotics, that are richer or more varied than probiotics in capsules.

And to always do different protocols with herbs or supplements. Rotation helps the body get different nutrients and confuses critters, avoiding them to find mechanisms of resistance.

If you ever fought a bad persistent babesiosis infection, you know what I mean...

I particularly think that detox is what brings faster and long term results, so I would also include a programme for detoxing, such as a sauna schedule, or ionic foot baths, or intake of minerals aiming chelation, cistus or other teas...

At last, I highly recommend some form of energy testing diagnose to pick up which organs are weak, which meridians are weak, or which other health problems you must address such as food allergies, dead tooth or cavitations, psycho traumas and the like...

Post Edited (Jinna) : 9/3/2017 2:49:16 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 9/6/2017 12:34 PM (GMT 0)
New to this site. Sick for two and a half years, possibly longer, but that is when symptoms started. Diagnosed five months ago with late stage Lyme, babesia, bartonella and toxoplasmosis. Bart symptoms were under control while on doxycycline and bactrim but have flared again on only bactrim. Taking mepron for babesia seven days a week and azithromycin three days a week (tinnitus unbearable at seven days a week) so my LLD says no doxycycline while on mepron and that we have to cure the babesia if I have any hope of curing bartonella and Lyme. But leg and foot weakness and arm nerve pain are pretty bad and would love to eliminate them. What herbs can I take to knock out bartonella until I can restart doxycycline?
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