Peteza (and others) - herbal protocol questions

Hi Peteza (and anyone else that wants to chime in) - since you and your husband have successfully treated with herbals, would you please share what you use? I do want to transition to herbals in a month or two.

My LLMD only had me taking them in the am. Did you dose 2x a day and how much?

Do you continue to take them or did you stop after so many months after symptom free?

I've read Rawls and more recently, started reading Marty Ross MD. Also read Buhner and others.

I have lyme and bart. Have used samento, houttinya (which dr stopped while taking rifampin), red root and just started banderol on my own.

Thanks Peteza! I've not heard of Beyond Balance. I know my LLMD reads Horowitz and Buhner.

I don't think I could dose more than 2x a day on some days. Right now I take 30 drops samento in am. I've read that some take 30 drops 2x a day. Did you use that one? It took me a long time to work up to 30, so I wanted to get started if I should do it 2x a day.

I think a lot of my symptoms are driven by Bart, so I want to make sure I hit that. I will go back to the books, but thanks for the reminder about the trial and error. I know that...I get impatient. So tired of feeling bad!

3 months after symptoms for herbs sounds reasonable to me. Did you wean yourself off or stop them cold? I think I will try to wean. I don't remember reading about that part.

I went in for annual bloodwork today and decided to stick with LLMD rather than go back to internist. If Ai1 still off, I'm going to ask about adrenals.

I'll read your whole story. I figured you had posted it, but i don't always have success searching on here. Thanks!

Along with the tinctures, if you ever feel you need an adjunct, consider essential oils. I'm still treating, but I've gotten a lot of help from them, over the past couple years.

There are blends, but also individual oils. Immupower, Thieves, DDR Prime, Supreme Nutritions Biofilm I, oregano, tea tree, lemon, frankincense, peppermint, lavender, etc.

There's some overlap in the blends, I think - not much - but I'll jump back and forth between the blends, every so often. I don't really schedule my pulsing. Good to keep the microbes on their toes, huh?

I also use the Beyond Balance tinctures -- wouldn't say they've been useless, but I'm not sure they're the best things I've tried. DDR Prime really had me herxing for a couple months.

The oils. BAR-1, BAB-2, Toxease, IMN-R, red root, kudzu, pinella-burbur.

Tons of supplements. If I had to pick a few over the rest, my B12, methylfolate, NAC, ALA, biofilm enzymes, and colloidal minerals. I don't really take that many, though (15 or so). Oh, my God... buffered Vitamin C has been huge for my constipation. My doctor got me on the Vitamin C flushes. I'd dealt with chronic constipation for years, so it's amazing to me how much poop is in me and ready to come out on a daily basis.

Anyway...

Listen to your gut. Switch things up, sometimes. Order, structure are good, but you don't have to be that all the time. It's okay to be fluid, like rain. I say it often, treatment is cumulative. You bounce around to this and that, some of us. Either way, the stone will erode, right? Eventually.

Other than that, diet, gut, detox. The foundation. Take care of those things. Addressing the infections is a priority, but your body needs attention too.

Fight hard. Be strong. Be positive. You seem like you're doing fine with that, but it's something that always needs to be said, I feel. If not for you, then me. Be strong, Antonio. :D

I kinda just pop in and offer what little I have, once in awhile. It's usually a mess of a post, so my apologies.

All the best of my wishes

For those that do multiple doses, do you try for 20 drops 3x a day?

Antonio - I've recently started using oils again. I stumbled on a doterra rep in my hood and I ended up ordering the DDR and then a trio of something, which I don't like the trio because it would be 14 pills a day and I take enough pills now! I do like thieves (which is called something else in doterra land but I like thieves version better. I've been diffusing lavender and it helps with my sleep.

Kat, if 20 drops works for you great. You really can't compare yourself to anyone. I was able to do 2 droppers full (approx 30 drops per dropper) of Japanese Knotweed 3 times a day.

Hubby who is 6'7", 225 lbs could only do 1 dropper full.

See? We are all different.

Your dose will be your dose. You are unique and special.

WalkingbyFaith, thank you for those kind words. I'm just a regular old person.

If it were me, and you wanted to add in another dosing time, I would decrease the dose to equal the 2 times. Did that make sense.

Say you are doing 30 drops, 1 time a day. I would go to 15 drops, 2 times a day, or even go to 10 drops, 3 times a day. Then you can move up from there. Adding in maybe 2 drops to each dosing time.

The herbalist that I talked to said it is better to have continual herbs running through your body. The idea is to never let up on the chasing of the bugs.

My hormones were whacko. I had already gone through menopause and with lyme I thought I was right back in it. I'm not sure about my adrenals. I think I had adrenal problems because I was so tired all day and all night. I would take naps, as in 3-4 a day and then sleep all night. I have always loved salty food and not sweets, so this told me nothing.

Mild depression or anxiety - I just thought this was part of lyme. Inability to handle stress - I chalked this up to lyme.

I did not test for adrenals or hormones. I had too many bad experiences with doctors and I knew that if I had a test show anything, they would give me a pill. I always knew that lyme was the cause of my ailments because I was so healthy before lyme.

Now here is the fine print!!!! I did not have lyme for a long time before treating. I think if you have lyme for a long time it can cause your organs and systems to mis-function. I truly believe that lyme can hurt so many of your organs and systems and testing is necessary. You may really need help in a particular area.

In my case, I knew it was lyme causing my symptoms and I believed that treating the lyme and my associated symptoms would go away. I was fortunate that it all turned out that way.

If you have any worries that lyme has done damage to certain organs or systems, you definitely should see a doctor about that. I recommend the lyme literate medical doctor who will work with you knowing you have lyme as the major contributor to those symptoms.

Kat1000, we can only do what we can do. Two doses is better than one, but not if it causes you stress. Then it is not worth it.

Stress can really hurt us. I have had tiny glimpses of lyme possibly returning, and each and every time it was due to stress in my life. I have set a huge amount of barricades to establish boundaries around my life. I am very picky who I let through. I feel any tension and I flee. I have to protect myself now.

Like I have always said, no one has a perfect cure for lyme. It is an extremely individual disease and each treatment is very individual.