Are you eating gluten-free pasta/food while being treated for lyme?

The Dude Abides said...

I think TRUE Paleo would have likely been more plant-based, as animal foods were not always available. There certainly would NOT have been "Paleo Pancakes" or other such nonsense. But, most people are food addicts and look for ways to rationalize their irrational behavior. Most Paleo followers avoid legumes, because they're allegedly unhealthy. But, they'll eat coconut oil (a refined product) by the spoonful and make "Paleo Brownies"...because, you know, it's gluten-free. I can mock them a bit, because I, too, fell for the hyperbole. Obviously, there are people with valid, serious medical conditions that need to avoid certain foods (e.g. gluten, nuts, shellfish, etc.), but, for most, I doubt the necessity. Every diet, eventually, becomes like a religion.

I tend to agree with this. I generally avoid the whole Paleo debate personally, but I do have issues with Paleo.

I believe we need to find the diet that works for us all individually. I do not believe there is a "one size fits all" approach.

Also, on the Chronic Lyme Disease Summit 2, there was on presenter who said that he believed many people are reacting to the chemical used on wheat during farming, and not actually the wheat itself. Can't remember the chemical name but bet you could figure it out quickly if you searched.
(I am not referring to Celiac disease - but moreso people who are sensitive to wheat.)
I found that interesting.

I've been switching/trying more organic flour lately, but drats, I can't get it right yet. It DOES taste different, but not better (which is ironic to me) when I tried making it. I'm going to keep trying...

The Dude Abides said...

astroman said...

B99 said...
I forgot to add, eating a lot of GF alternative food is a problem as far as Candida.

Candida doesn't know the difference. Carbs are carbs. Many currently on ABX are on the edge of / or currently have candida in their gut and possibly blood. So loading up on any carbs can have consequences.

And Sweets are sweets. The gluten free cup cakes and such almost promoted as a healthy alternative crack me up.

Palio is really just a basic whole foods approach cranked up a few notches. Your heating things up in their natural state .......................minus the gluten, fat, sugar and dairy loaded gravy/slurry that many modern humans have become addicted to. I found this to be pretty easy, but do miss the variety. Socially eating this way away from home is, on the other hand, quite difficult. The only thing quicker/easier is fast food.

As far as sugar cravings when eating palio, there is fruit. But fruit digests faster than protein so its best to only eat fruit in between meals or before meals. Eating fruit after a protein meal, causes it to ferment (candida loves this) and fatty protein can double the blood sugar level from fruit..

I think TRUE Paleo would have likely been more plant-based, as animal foods were not always available.
There certainly would NOT have been "Paleo Pancakes" or other such nonsense. But, most people are food addicts and look for ways to rationalize their irrational behavior. Most Paleo followers avoid legumes, because they're allegedly unhealthy. But, they'll eat coconut oil (a refined product) by the spoonful and make "Paleo Brownies"...because, you know, it's gluten-free. I can mock them a bit, because I, too, fell for the hyperbole. Obviously, there are people with valid, serious medical conditions that need to avoid certain foods (e.g. gluten, nuts, shellfish, etc.), but, for most, I doubt the necessity. Every diet, eventually, becomes like a religion.

I have to agree with The Dude here. I hear so-much addict speak when these diet threads pop up. I quit nicotine about a year ago with help of a support group. Wow did I learn about addict behavior. I can spot it a mile away.

I think if I had not cleaned up my diet, I would not have made such great strides in healing from these horrible infections.

I think to give it a true trial, you have to eat clean for at least 6 months. You can't just cut back for a week and expect results.

It is soooo hard to get off the sugar, carbs, gluten, and alcohol. Almost as hard as quitting nicotine.

I would recommend cutting one at a time. That's what worked for me.

Missouri, I remember when I quit sugar and carbs, I was desperate for something sweet for days and days. I really did experience withdrawal, and I was shocked when I realized I really had an addiction! Afterward, fruit tasted so sweet to me. And ready made sweet foods tasted grossly sweet.

I don't miss it at all now.

Happy belated birthday! Way to go on the normalizing hashimotos antibodies.

1000Daisies,

I just bought Einkorn flour to try. It's an old wheat grain, low gluten, and a form of gluten which is broken down easier than the hybrids available at the grocery store. I'm going to make sourdough bread with it. Apparently the long rising process (12 -24h) in true sourdough breaks down the gluten eliminates most if not all of it. Maybe I'm just dreaming ... but it's worth a try.

Who knows what's behind the gluten reaction in the US. Probably that chemical you mentioned, along with the high gluten content of modern wheat, along with lowered immunity, bla bla bla.

I have to say that my experience when I'm in Europe is that I CAN eat bread several times a week and not have a reaction. The Europeans don't use the same pesticides, or the same strains of grain.

In any case, I've decided to step out of the entire food loop and cook from scratch. Yes, we bring food for road trips otherwise we get completely ill from road food.

astroman said...



Real dairy made me tire since I was a kid now that I think about it. Caused skin issues to into adulthood too. Quitting all milk products made this very obvious. I like almond milk better anyway. I use fake vegan cheese on my tacos. I love real cheese, but not the after effects. And cow milk has pregnancy hormones in it, something we prob dont need. There is thought that autoimmune doesn't like that.

Maybe you need to move to Canada -


www.huffingtonpost.ca/sarah-schultz/tpp-hormones-in-milk_b_8381946.html

I try to stay away from all grains. But I find it too difficult. And I lose too much weight. I do stay away from gluten, though. I have the celiac gene. Plus, it's a known cause for inflammation and cause of leaky gut.

Girlie said...

Traneboy said...
I don't see how a gluten free or even a sugar free diet (alcohol is just meh, so not even a daily intake) are going to make a big difference when all we are chronically infected with multiple infections. If it were only babs or lyme or bart or anything else, then sure, but since we have our systems bombarded with pathogens, eliminating gluten or sugar completely isn't going to make noticeable differences. I still eat gluten and a little, very little sugar, just to keep some energy. I know people hate talking about abx and taking them, but the only proven way to reduce the symptoms are through harsh abx long term treatments.

Some people DO feel worse eating gluten and/or sugar.
I recently had a reaction to one drink with alcohol. Some of us do, others don't.

Sugar and gluten don't affect me - but it's an individual thing.

And people do get well with other modalities. Not everyone's healing includes antibiotics.
It is what I have chosen, but I respect those who choose alternate treatments.

Yes, it's a individual thing, if you have celiac and lyme, you better not take gluten, but if you have lyme and multiple co's, i feel there's minimal effect, since you might starve the lyme bacteria or bart, but you can't starve babs or myco. Is there actual proof that any of these bacterias and parasites die off from no gluten diet? And i mean specifically these and not the usual "yes, don't take sugar since you have infections and they thrive under sugar and dairy".

I don't want to be an ****** or offend someone, but that's common sense that the only way you'll gonna treat tuberculosis, brucellosis, syphilis, tularemia and etc is through long term abx. I'd say you can have a chance at treating these things with herbs only after you've done at least some sort of multiple intracellular abx protocols. You can't reduce the load of these infection right from the start with herbs and diet restrictions, it's trying to outrun a car. Slow the car down till you can run in the same speed, then proceed to whatever your mind wants. My 2 cents.

Traneboy said...

Girlie said...

Traneboy said...
I don't see how a gluten free or even a sugar free diet (alcohol is just meh, so not even a daily intake) are going to make a big difference when all we are chronically infected with multiple infections. If it were only babs or lyme or bart or anything else, then sure, but since we have our systems bombarded with pathogens, eliminating gluten or sugar completely isn't going to make noticeable differences. I still eat gluten and a little, very little sugar, just to keep some energy. I know people hate talking about abx and taking them, but the only proven way to reduce the symptoms are through harsh abx long term treatments.

Some people DO feel worse eating gluten and/or sugar.
I recently had a reaction to one drink with alcohol. Some of us do, others don't.

Sugar and gluten don't affect me - but it's an individual thing.

And people do get well with other modalities. Not everyone's healing includes antibiotics.
It is what I have chosen, but I respect those who choose alternate treatments.

Yes, it's a individual thing, if you have celiac and lyme, you better not take gluten, but if you have lyme and multiple co's, i feel there's minimal effect, since you might starve the lyme bacteria or bart, but you can't starve babs or myco. Is there actual proof that any of these bacterias and parasites die off from no gluten diet? And i mean specifically these and not the usual "yes, don't take sugar since you have infections and they thrive under sugar and dairy".

I don't want to be an ****** or offend someone, but that's common sense that the only way you'll gonna treat tuberculosis, brucellosis, syphilis, tularemia and etc is through long term abx. I'd say you can have a chance at treating these things with herbs only after you've done at least some sort of multiple intracellular abx protocols. You can't reduce the load of these infection right from the start with herbs and diet restrictions, it's trying to outrun a car. Slow the car down till you can run in the same speed, then proceed to whatever your mind wants. My 2 cents.

You dont need to have blown celiac to feel better eliminating gluten. Many people are in between, that is gluten sensitive but not celiac. Its also know that gluten can be somewhat responsible for persisting autoimmune conditions that have elevated antibodies.

This obviously does not effect everyone. For those that it does, they totally get, its not a fad with them, but might be with some others.

As far as all food intake - a healthy gut = strong immune system. This is proven.

Post Edited (astroman) : 12/1/2017 2:38:48 PM (GMT-7)

Gluten can be digested -

B99 said...
Under ideal circumstances, yes. But unfortunately most people don't.

Some break it down partially, but then can't digest the amino acids it has been broken down into, and have an immune reaction. Some can't break it down at all. And most of us have lost the stomach flora our predecessors had to digest.

It was upsetting to read that Glyphosate also interferes with gluten breakdown for everyone. So there is that bit to add to the confusion.

..."most people don't " ?

Source?

If you don't have gluten allergy sensitivity or intolerance...there shouldn't be a problem

/www.thecut.com/2015/06/problem-with-the-grain-brain-doctor.html
nutsci.org/2015/08/03/fact-checking-a-perlmutter-interview
/www.forksoverknives.com/the-smoke-and-mirrors-behind-wheat-belly-and-grain-brain