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Posted 12/6/2017 12:09 AM (GMT 0)
HI everyone,

I am wondering if anyone has any ideas as far as how to replace an intracellular macrollide with an herbal? I need to get off the azithromycin as its damaging my hearing (tinnitus, hearing loss) and wondered if it's possible to make this transition with an herbal or combination of herbals? Thank you all for any ideas, it is appreciated.
Posted 12/6/2017 12:31 AM (GMT 0)
According to Buhner these are some of the intracellular herbals:

Japenesse knotweed
Cryptolepis
Boneset
Redroot

There could be more

an older post mentioned berberine

If you are looking for a specific protocol for an co infection I can look in my Buhner books and let you know what they say.

Take care, Jo
Posted 12/6/2017 12:43 AM (GMT 0)
Wow, thank you Jo! I am treating for Lyme, Bart and Babesia...been treating for 4.5 years and cannot get past 60/65%. Unfortunately when I discontinue the antibiotics even a little I get terrible neuropathy and headaches and eye pain. So I am at the moment in a bad way. I would love to transition to herbals if possible as my hearing continues to worsen. I am wondering if herbals are strong enough to keep the neuropathy in check?
Posted 12/6/2017 12:58 AM (GMT 0)
while herbals can be pretty potent in my experiences they aren't as powerful as antibiotics but they also don't have as many side effects.

are you taking anything for your neuropathy like gabapentin or trileptal? I have similar neuropathy issues and I'd of jumped off a bridge without these meds.

what abx regimen are you currently on and for how long?
Posted 12/6/2017 1:06 AM (GMT 0)
Hi have you ever seen and read Pirouette's post on what to check if your not improving. It's very good. I do believe it is in our new to Lyme thread, just keep scrolling down until you see it. Might be some help there too.

Many people do herbal protocols and abx together. So if you choose to do herbals ,you could slowly add herbals in one at a time to see how you react to each one while transitioning into the protocol.

You want to be sure and have some coverage while switching over.

Herbals can be very potent and then there are some herbals in the protocols that are supportive herbals.

I would highly recommend Buhner's co-infection books on Babesia and Bartonella.

Sometimes I have read that people choose to do only a few herbals from the protocols, but Buhner suggests these other supportive herbals/supplements because there are many things happening to our bodies with each particular co infection. He sets up the protocols so that it addresses all these issues.

He explains it all in his books.

I wish I could answer your question about keeping the neuropathy in check, but we are all so different and it seems like we have to go through many trials and error with Lyme and co. unfortunately.

Hopefully others with herbal experience will chime in too.

Well take care and again if you need the specific lists of herbals just let me know. Jo
Posted 12/6/2017 10:48 AM (GMT 0)
HI Rikky,
Since I have been sick, I have been on gabapentin and lyrica for at least a year each. During that time, my neuropathy was isolated to the left side of my face and head. It really was not that bad and I decided to get off of them because I felt that if I could get by without them I would be giving my body/organs a break.

Fast forward to Jan 1 st 2017. I began to have severe genital neuropathy and missed many months of work because of this. Over the last year it has improved some but now that I am dealing with ototoxicity, I need to change protocols. The problem is when I try a cut my azithromycin in half, my neuropathy rages.

I have been on a combination of 16 different antibiotics over the last 4.5 years. Right now, I take azithromycin, amoxicillin, atovaquone, and SMZ TMP. I also just started tow beyond balance herbals mc bb 2 and mc bar 2. I am also on alpha lipoid acid, riboflavin, magnesium, immune support, fluconozole, Candex, and low dose naltrexone. I sporadically take chlorella and activated charcoal for detox.

I am definitely feeling like I am hitting the wall right now and need to try something new. I just changed doctors after being with my former for about 3.5 years. This doc did not use any herbal protocols and was a bit old school. The good news is that my new doctor is open to trying new things. I am so thankful for this site and the people that post because the bottom line is one truly does not get it until they get it.
Posted 12/6/2017 11:07 AM (GMT 0)
HI Jo,

I have not read pirouettes post and will certainly look for it today. As I mentioned with responding to Rikkys post, I just started beyond balance mc bb 2 and mc bar 2. Because my hearing issues have come to a head, I am literally trying to do damage control and get off the antibiotics as quickly as possible.

Knowing this is a marathon, I should have begun implementing this strategy several months ago. Unfortunately my former llmd at the time would not approve herbals....thinking that they interfere with the antibiotics. So feeling behind the proverbial eight ball at the moment.

A friend of mine just gave me buhners healing Lyme and I am anxious to begin checking this out. I am just trying to find the right balance which will allow me to reduce my pain and function so that I can work. There has to be a way to do this and I feel like it's a matter of finding the right combinations that will minimize ototoxicity and decrease neuropathy. I have my medical marijuana card and tried that route for a couple years. The cbd seemed to help with inflammation and the tech helped me with sleep without question. I am considering maybe giving this another shot to possibly help with the inflammation.

Wish Lyme and friends played by the rules wink
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