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Posted 7/14/2021 5:06 PM (GMT 0)
when i was more ill with this thing - even going out into the sun for 30mins would cause me to have a flare in fatigue - maybe that was a vitamin D effect ?
Posted 7/14/2021 5:49 PM (GMT 0)
yes, d3 through d25 both increases VDR expression and increases activation of it, but watch out for serum calcium levels
Posted 7/14/2021 7:23 PM (GMT 0)

Schiappaza said...
Hello. Please, did you find out the reason of the herxing from vitamin D? I'm experiencing the same thing and I'm not sure about the type of infection I have: It can be Lyme, bartonella or yeast... Thanks.

Wow this is a old one. Have not been on this site for awhile now.

So yes and no..I stopped treating for Lyme in June 2019. After a stall in Lyme treatment and similar bad bout with a Parasite protocol I dove into Heavy Metals.

What I ultimately discovered was I had/have Mercury, Lead, and Arsenic poisoning as my root issue.

I've been on the Andy Cutler Chelation (ACC) which is Heavy Metal Chelation since Dec 2018. While he wrote several books he died 5 months prior to me joining his support group he covered Vitamin D a bit but not extensively.

His take in his books was that if you react to a supplement anything negatively to stop taking it( the exception being that you can get a herx with Yeast treatment, and back off if you do and ramp up slowly)

Specifically on Vit D there was references in some of his site by people with Lead poisoning having a bad reaction to Vit D.. What is known is that Lead gets sequestered in the bones the theory is that Vit D pushes the Lead out of the bones making you feel like crap ,, Really bad. Same with too much sun..

I most definitely have lead poisoning and been treating for almost 3 years now. have not tried Vit D yet but I can most definitely tolerate the sun better and my Gout (Which is also lead) is pretty much gone now for 2 years..

Unfortunately is a very long process but a life change changer. Lead complicates Mercury chleation so I just now able to up my treatment for that.

I've wrote many post here a while back about Lyme versus Heavy metal poisoning but in hindsight my early Chelation treatment made me very manic and combative. I still have my days but not nearly as often and able to control it much better.
Posted 7/14/2021 7:27 PM (GMT 0)

Garzie said...
vitamin D is not a regular "vitamin" as we normally think of them - in fact a vitamin is an outdated and oversimplified concept - i.e. a nutrient that causes a specific disease is deficient ( in this case rickets)

in fact vitamin D is also a hormone like substance that is involved in regulating many systems in the body. rather than just bone formation as was once believed.

one of them is the immune system. every cell in the body has vitamin D receptors and various parts of the immune response involve these receptors.

there is also a lot we still do not know about vitamin D and its actions

there are those who believe its actions are involved in many chronic diseases - see Trevor Marshall and his work for an in depth look at that topic

on the other hand - deficiency is common in many with chronic illnesses and in particular with chronic inflammation - where it seems the low levels of D3 tend to exacerbate many auto-immune and auto-inflammatory or immune dysregulation type issues.

whichever side of the debate you come down on its clear that vitamin D3 is an important chemical in the regulation of the immune system - and we should therefore not be very surprised if adding large doses causes some reaction in some people.

large oral doses also impact the microbiome significantly according to several studies - and this in itself could cause symptom flares in the already chronically ill population who tend to be reactive to foods and treatments that impact the gut and its microbiome in general.

vitamin D2 is not human bioidentical - instead it is the form found in plants and fungi - and is not readily utilised in humans. its probably cheaper to produce - but, aside from that, its hard to see the rational sense in supplementing with it.

This is very close to Dr. Andy Cutlers take on Vit D.. Its more of a indicator versus something you can supplement.
Posted 7/14/2021 7:51 PM (GMT 0)

Garzie said...
when i was more ill with this thing - even going out into the sun for 30mins would cause me to have a flare in fatigue - maybe that was a vitamin D effect ?

Probably just heat. Borrelia is very sensitive to temperature, and often a hot day would make me herx.
Posted 7/14/2021 9:00 PM (GMT 0)
Ive never been able to handle vitamin D pill/liquid. Basically I will be up every hour at night. Even a multivitamin with 600iu will cause problems. Its more a hormone not really a vitamin as people think of it. My D levels have always been low side of mid range.
Posted 7/15/2021 2:22 AM (GMT 0)

skinny_joe said...
Ive never been able to handle vitamin D pill/liquid. Basically I will be up every hour at night. Even a multivitamin with 600iu will cause problems.

That's the liver detox reaction. Cytochrome P450 enzymes go up, destroying cortisol and sending my adrenaline levels up. Also made me pee a lot. Same thing happened with rifampin.
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