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Posted 12/20/2017 11:17 PM (GMT 0)
For the past few months my teeth have been yellowing and graying, with a film constantly over them. I've been doing coconut oil tooth pulling regularly every morning, and wheatgrass pulling every evening, and of course constant flossing/brushing.

In the past, when I was on less medication, the oil pulling usually cleared everything up. But since I've been on a long-term cocktail (about 6 meds per day – 5 antibiotics, one anti-fungal), nothing's working!!

I have an amazing LLMD, who knows pretty much everything about Lyme, except this one thing.

I've always had perfect teeth but now they look like they're rotting!!

Any suggestions please???
Posted 12/20/2017 11:22 PM (GMT 0)
There are some antibiotics that will stain the teeth. You should google each antibiotic you are on and see which one may be causing tooth discoloration.

This is very typical of young kids whose teeth are growing. Tetracycline and Doxycycline are notorious for discoloring children's teeth. I don't know about adults.

There are also many alternatives to all the antibiotics. So definitely let your doctor know and discuss it with him/her.
Posted 12/21/2017 12:30 AM (GMT 0)
Are you on mino or doxy?


My teeth needed cleaning with the doxy...

But, with the mino, the bluish/grey tinge didn't come off with cleaning.
I read that the staining is deeper from the minocycline...and it may take a long time for it to resolve. I read it can even stain the thyroid.

But, the doxy did clean off with the hygienist's tools.
Posted 12/21/2017 12:43 AM (GMT 0)
I would see a biological dds-it easily may be infection
Posted 12/21/2017 1:27 AM (GMT 0)
Doxy did the same to my teeth. It was hideous but, as Girlie said, did come off with a cleaning at the DDS.
Posted 12/21/2017 12:13 PM (GMT 0)
Due to some past TMJ issues I got use to getting a cleaning at DDS every three months. During my many years on ABX lyme treatment we had periods of enamel staining that required more effort to remove. I never took time to track which ABX was contributing to the staining, since I had more critical issues to resolve.

Its just part of the battle.... get a DDS cleaning more often or try more home cleaning solutions like insomniaaa suggested.
Posted 12/22/2017 6:35 AM (GMT 0)
As others said, Its the abx and its not permanent. Go to the dentist in between your normal scheduled cleanings- they can clean them off. Worked for me.
Posted 12/22/2017 6:41 AM (GMT 0)

Girlie said...
Are you on mino or doxy?


My teeth needed cleaning with the doxy...

But, with the mino, the bluish/grey tinge didn't come off with cleaning.
I read that the staining is deeper from the minocycline...and it may take a long time for it to resolve. I read it can even stain the thyroid.

But, the doxy did clean off with the hygienist's tools.

Stain the thyroid..? This is interesting, or a misprint,... or word play?
Posted 12/22/2017 7:43 AM (GMT 0)

astroman said...

Girlie said...
Are you on mino or doxy?


My teeth needed cleaning with the doxy...

But, with the mino, the bluish/grey tinge didn't come off with cleaning.
I read that the staining is deeper from the minocycline...and it may take a long time for it to resolve. I read it can even stain the thyroid.

But, the doxy did clean off with the hygienist's tools.

Stain the thyroid..? This is interesting, or a misprint,... or word play?

No not a misprint...or word play. I read about it over a year ago...I'll try to find the information.
That really grossed me out.

okay - here's some links to the information:

/www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4345646/

and this one is worrisome - associated with thyroid cancer:

/www.hindawi.com/journals/ije/2010/681647/

Would an ultrasound show the color? or what imaging would?
Posted 12/22/2017 5:06 PM (GMT 0)
"Black discoloration of the thyroid gland was first reported as a side effect of minocycline, a long-acting tetracycline antibiotic, in laboratory animals in 1967.1 The first human case of black thyroid was subsequently described in 1976.2 During the following 4 decades, approximately 125 cases of black thyroid have been reported in the literature.3–5 Black thyroid is asymptomatic, so the discolored gland is typically discovered incidentally during surgery or upon autopsy.6 Notably, black thyroid cannot typically be diagnosed by fine-needle biopsy.3

On gross examination the gland has a coal-black appearance (figure 1, A), which is virtually pathognomonic for long-term minocycline therapy."

Ultra Sounds are shades of black and white. The shades are "reflective" of the tissue density, just like other medical imaging. So this would not show up on US since its coloring not density change. Would only show in surgery.

Is doxy is the tetracycline family?
Posted 12/22/2017 5:47 PM (GMT 0)

astroman said...
"Black discoloration of the thyroid gland was first reported as a side effect of minocycline, a long-acting tetracycline antibiotic, in laboratory animals in 1967.1 The first human case of black thyroid was subsequently described in 1976.2 During the following 4 decades, approximately 125 cases of black thyroid have been reported in the literature.3–5 Black thyroid is asymptomatic, so the discolored gland is typically discovered incidentally during surgery or upon autopsy.6 Notably, black thyroid cannot typically be diagnosed by fine-needle biopsy.3

On gross examination the gland has a coal-black appearance (figure 1, A), which is virtually pathognomonic for long-term minocycline therapy."

Ultra Sounds are shades of black and white. The shades are "reflective" of the tissue density, just like other medical imaging. So this would not show up on US since its coloring not density change. Would only show in surgery.

Is doxy is the tetracycline family?

Yes, doxy is a tetracycline. So, I guess I won't know if my thyroid is black. Did you look at pictures? It looks gross...like charcoal...eeewww.
I haven't seen anything on doxy causing it though. so far - just mino. But, doxy doesn't cause the blue/grey color on our teeth...so doubt if it would discolor the thyroid black.

It's apparently not common though.... I tried to find information on whether it clears up over time once the mino has been stopped.
Posted 12/22/2017 6:07 PM (GMT 0)
Yes , I looked at the links with pics.

In my last U/S 2 yrs ago, at the end of my doxy and other abx, my thyroid looked the same. US showed nodules did not increase either. Wont get next U/S till a year from now.
Posted 1/7/2018 4:07 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks all. I believe it may be the Tinidazole that is causing the discoloring. Doxy has caused in the past, as well as Ceftin (which I'm also currently on), but both were cured by the coconut oil. The oil doesn't cure the Tinidazole stains, though. But yes, a dentist's visit did clean it up.

I also found out that using a traditional Arab cleaning tool – the "miswek" – got a lot of the stains off. Baking soda doesn't do the trick.

I am mostly just concerned if this staining would leave any permanent damage on the teeth, or if it is just something that can be cleaned off?
Posted 1/7/2018 4:33 PM (GMT 0)
I'm no longer on abx. After the last dentist visit AFTER abx, they cleaned up and stayed that way.

So, my guess is it was more of a tougher outer discolored coating. In my case, the discoloring was NOT from within.
Posted 1/8/2018 12:14 AM (GMT 0)
Brendoni,

I didn't have the issue of the "graying," but did notice some discoloration (teeth not as white as usual) after being on ABX for a few months.

To combat that, I purchased a jar of Activated Charcoal powder and brushed with that every night, followed by a second brushing with a whitening toothpaste (Luster Power White Stain Remover). I wouldn't recommend the Crest 3D White brand toothpaste, as I saw zero results after using that regularly for several months.

Additionally, I bought a box of Crest Professional Whitening Strips and used that a few times a week.

After a month or two, I noticed a big difference.
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