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Posted 4/18/2018 6:09 PM (GMT 0)
I was on antibiotics for over 2 years without any progress. Since being off of them I've gotten much worse over the last year and can no longer take them due to the severe GI damage they caused.

My parents think I don't have lyme anymore since I took antibiotics. I'm looking for articles and studies that I can show them to prove that long term antibiotics often don't work for chronic lyme. I know there are several but I'm having trouble finding them. If you can post licks down below I would appreciate it.

Thank you
Posted 4/18/2018 10:40 PM (GMT 0)
I dont know if you are going to be able to obtain more than rhetorical accounts where they didnt work. There are plenty of these. Yet it is the go to treatment from doctors so I dont think the medical establishment is going to publish much in the way of what you want.

about the best I can do is show what the outer surface protein A (OspA) shed by Borellia does to the immune system which almost assures that a coinfection will occur.

The antibiotics work on some of the coinfections but not always. Borellia blebs and forms happy and tiny little new undetectable borellia 'seeds' that regrow and repeat the process over again. Borellia is technically not a bacteria but of the spirochete phylum so maybe that is why it fails. Similar to the way Babesia is technically a parasite but often gets grouped with bacteria.

OspA is a fungal antigen so you may have more success with treating the disease from a fungal angle or a whole spectrum angle like ozone or chlorine dioxide.

/badlymeattitude.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/fungus.pdf

EDIT: A member just posted this in another thread. I hope it helps:
www.prweb.com/releases/2018/04/prweb15413734.htm
Posted 4/18/2018 11:05 PM (GMT 0)
Hi, there are parents on here at different times.

Some of them have Lyme and co, but some of them are treating one or more of their children for Lyme and co. also.

Maybe you could start a new post and reach out to them. Then, possibly your parents could ask some questions or correspond with them and it would help them to understand your Lyme illness better.

That way you would hopefully get the proper care that you need to help you get to remission.

Hope everything works out for you , take care.
Posted 4/19/2018 2:45 AM (GMT 0)
I have a packet of approximately 500 references of researcher article showing persistence. Look up researcher by Zhang at Hopkins he has done research on persisters that may be helpful.
Posted 4/19/2018 10:56 AM (GMT 0)
gold standard is randomized double blind placebo controlled trial, and there is one since 2016

www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1505425

however pls note they never use combinations:

"
Of the 281 patients who underwent randomization, 280 were included in the modified intention-to-treat analysis (86 patients in the doxycycline group, 96 in the clarithromycin–hydroxychloroquine group, and 98 in the placebo group)."

well good luck in treating TB with just rifampin, without anything else. i wonder if you can cure one single guy...

note: TB is officially treated with 3-4 antibiotics for 6+ months.


so ... my conclusion there are no trials with combined antibiotic treatments for lyme disease. Tens of thousands of people treated for decades, with a treatment there is not one single trial for ... awesome or what ?

I wonder why do we have states and governments for ... to collect taxes, right ? :D
Posted 4/19/2018 10:59 PM (GMT 0)
Hi Sean.scott256,

I doubt you will find articles by conventional doctors since they prescribe antibiotics and big pharma makes the money. There are articles written by alternative medicine doctors but I don't know how open minded your parents are.

Below is one article about antibiotics:

www.townsendletter.com/April2007/antibioticlyme0407.htm

That said, if I were in your shoes I would be more worried about the damage to your gut and how to heal it (there are many articles explaining how such as drinking bone broth, etc.).

Also, there is a chance after taking abx for 2 years that you may have killed most of the lyme bacteria (research shows it is impossible to kill ALL lyme bacteria). What you may be feeling is the result of toxins that are left over from killing the bacteria and the only way for you to find that out is to start a detox protocol. When toxins are NOT removed from your body, brain, bones, etc. they keep circulating causing more damage.

Article about toxins and the damage they cause:

www.benbrew.com/lb/lyme5.pdf

I don't know if you have been detoxing and I don't mean taking supplements or drinking lemon water. I'm talking about detox baths (Epsom salts mixed with hydrogen peroxide) daily, dry skin brushing before bath, foot baths, and even coffee enemas. Infrared sauna's help as well.

I'm hoping you will switch to an herbal protocol as that may help.

Hope this helps a bit and that you find your path to healing,
Denise
Posted 4/19/2018 11:42 PM (GMT 0)
Best ones are the following by Monica Embers. The two studies are a pair on the same research. What she basically showed is no difference between untreated controls or rhesus monkeys and treated monkeys. Both harbored spirochetes

http://ajp.amjpathol.org/article/S0002-9440(17)30894-5/abstract

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0189071

If you browse the references at the bottom of each you will find more studies. But these are the most recent and best imo. If you look up Emil Hodzic Borrelia he has done some great ones with mice. Showing that spirochetes start growing again months after stopping treatment. There are very few human studies but here are some where treated patients were culture positive. Note two patients were culture positive after 9 months of doxy

http://www.clinicalmicrobiologyandinfection.com/article/S1198-743X(15)00991-X/abstract

Here's a new one on humans as well
http://www.mdpi.com/2227-9032/6/2/33
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