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Posted 7/14/2018 9:43 PM (GMT 0)
What are your favorite hard hitting herbs for lyme and co? Those that you think have really made a huge difference in your recovery efforts. I'm looking at getting more herbs, but researching for now.
Posted 7/14/2018 10:28 PM (GMT 0)
Turmeric, Japanese Knotweed, Echinacea

Houttuynia, Berberine, Sida Acuta
Posted 7/14/2018 11:11 PM (GMT 0)
Holy basil for anxiety control & liversupport. Curcumin aka turmeric root for anti-inflammatories...

But you're asking specifically for herbs that directly target the pathogens? Theherbal protocol for babs seemed to have worked for me, as well as 'classical pearls' to restore my gut aka SIBO!
Posted 7/14/2018 11:17 PM (GMT 0)
I feel J. knotweed is essential. (Of course, I'm strongly influenced by Buhner's statements in that regard).

The herbs the I find most herx provoking - Sida acuta, houttuynia. I have not used crypto or artemisia yet.

I think bidens pilosa is a very good herb.

I am very sensitive to cat's claw. I use the powder and only put a dusted sprinkle of it in my herbal concoction. I've read that cat's claw raises CD57, and my CD57 has increased both times it has been retested. Can't say for sure it's because of the cat's claw, but maybe it is.
Posted 7/15/2018 12:25 AM (GMT 0)

mcspike said...
Holy basil for anxiety control & liversupport. Curcumin aka turmeric root for anti-inflammatories...

But you're asking specifically for herbs that directly target the pathogens? Theherbal protocol for babs seemed to have worked for me, as well as 'classical pearls' to restore my gut aka SIBO!

Interesting two of you mention Turmeric for anti-inflammatory. I tried a pretty good turmeric but didn't see much of a difference. I still had much pain. But I think I only tried it for 2 weeks. How long does it take to notice a difference? I have a big problem with inflammation.
Posted 7/15/2018 12:33 AM (GMT 0)
I've taken all kinds of anti-inflammatories and I still have pain, too.
Posted 7/15/2018 5:03 AM (GMT 0)
Well, I do still have pain; however Ive never had to take a single prescription pain med for Lyme. I recently added hyaleuronic acid. The curcumin should be taken with sunflower lecithin or better yet the BEST curcumin is 'Meriva' by Thorne.
Posted 7/15/2018 6:48 AM (GMT 0)
My favorite herb is hawthorn.


Not for 'hard hitting' but for it's heart/cardio support.

And...the one from Woodland Essence tastes good....so not grimacing when I take that one.
Posted 7/15/2018 7:55 AM (GMT 0)
Samento/cat's claw and polyganum(knotweed). Artemisinin helped early on but I seemed to hit a plateau with it.
Posted 7/15/2018 11:10 AM (GMT 0)
CSA is very good as is knotweed. Knotweed alone got me to like 90% health. Berberine gave me the worst heart herxes at large doses. I don't recommend taking that much but I might do it again briefly to clean out my heart as I'm sick of the PVCs

. I'm going to start experimenting with some non buhners herbs to replace knotweed. Staring with Leslie Taylor's Amazon herbs. First one on the list is anamu. I'll update if I remember

Post Edited (Psilociraptor) : 7/15/2018 5:13:21 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 7/15/2018 4:35 PM (GMT 0)
Boneset, artemesia annua, andrographis, lomatium, garlic, and diatomaceous earth (though it's not really an herb).
Posted 7/15/2018 5:07 PM (GMT 0)

Psilociraptor said...
CSA is very good as is knotweed. Knotweed alone got me to like 90% health. Berberine gave me the worst heart herxes at large doses. I don't recommend taking that much but I might do it again briefly to clean out my heart as I'm sick of the PVCs.

Psilo,

Buhner warns that berberine should not be taken at high doses or long periods.

If you're having heart herxes from it, you may have parasites in or near the heart. I would recommend some other parasite treatment in place of berberine.
Posted 7/15/2018 7:21 PM (GMT 0)

Girlie said...
My favorite herb is hawthorn.


Not for 'hard hitting' but for it's heart/cardio support.

And...the one from Woodland Essence tastes good....so not grimacing when I take that one.

How does the Hawthorne support the heart/cardio exactly?
Posted 7/15/2018 11:55 PM (GMT 0)

WalkingbyFaith said...

Psilociraptor said...
CSA is very good as is knotweed. Knotweed alone got me to like 90% health. Berberine gave me the worst heart herxes at large doses. I don't recommend taking that much but I might do it again briefly to clean out my heart as I'm sick of the PVCs.

Psilo,

Buhner warns that berberine should not be taken at high doses or long periods.

If you're having heart herxes from it, you may have parasites in or near the heart. I would recommend some other parasite treatment in place of berberine.

I'm aware of buhners opinion and have done this before. It's the only herb that has worked for me and rather than continue decline of heart problems I'd rather just take it again. It will be short term
Posted 7/16/2018 12:57 AM (GMT 0)
How much turmeric were you taking?? A lot of the supplement dosages/recommendations are WAY under what is effective. I was taking at a minimum 2 grams a day @ 90 lbs. It worked well for me.
Posted 7/16/2018 1:07 AM (GMT 0)

Psilociraptor said...
CSA is very good as is knotweed. Knotweed alone got me to like 90% health.

What was your dosage and frequency for JK?
Posted 7/16/2018 1:07 AM (GMT 0)

opugirl said...
How much turmeric were you taking?? A lot of the supplement dosages/recommendations are WAY under what is effective. I was taking at a minimum 2 grams a day @ 90 lbs. It worked well for me.

The one I was taking was turmeric extract 450 mg 3 times per day with black pepper extract. I believe this dosage was researched and found to be sufficient, but maybe not for us with lyme.
Posted 7/16/2018 1:55 PM (GMT 0)
It may be, I didn't have inflammation or much pain between the japanese knotweed and the turmeric. If I still felt I was having a lot of inflammation in the body I would have increased the dosage. A lot of it is based on how you feel. When I tried to go off of it, I would feel it every time!

~beth
Posted 7/16/2018 2:11 PM (GMT 0)

opugirl said...
It may be, I didn't have inflammation or much pain between the japanese knotweed and the turmeric. If I still felt I was having a lot of inflammation in the body I would have increased the dosage. A lot of it is based on how you feel. When I tried to go off of it, I would feel it every time!

~beth

I didn't take both Japanese knotweed and turmeric at the same time because both are supposed to cause blood thinning. Most people don't look at those things, and maybe sometimes it doesn't really cause a bad effect so maybe it's not that important but I try to be safe. I have experienced blood thinning due to taking too many herbs that do that.
Posted 7/16/2018 3:34 PM (GMT 0)
That is very true! I was aware that both were blood thinners at the time but I didn't have issues. smile
Posted 7/16/2018 4:22 PM (GMT 0)

ashleylynn said...

mcspike said...
Holy basil for anxiety control & liversupport. Curcumin aka turmeric root for anti-inflammatories...

But you're asking specifically for herbs that directly target the pathogens? Theherbal protocol for babs seemed to have worked for me, as well as 'classical pearls' to restore my gut aka SIBO!

Interesting two of you mention Turmeric for anti-inflammatory. I tried a pretty good turmeric but didn't see much of a difference. I still had much pain. But I think I only tried it for 2 weeks. How long does it take to notice a difference? I have a big problem with inflammation.

Turmeric/Curcumin works best when paired with black pepper, Ginger or even with bromelain. There are also many different varieties out there. some are Curcumin extracts which pack a bigger punch.

The Turmeric that I buy at Walmart comes bundled with 50mg of Ginger powder to help with absorption. I too notice the difference when I take a break from it.
Posted 7/16/2018 4:34 PM (GMT 0)
The turmeric I use to remove most pain is Designs for Health Curcum-Evail. 1000mg with sunflower lecithin for absorption. At first 1 pill a day was enough, but had to go to 2. There is a cheaper equivalent from Adaptogen Research sometimes available on Amazon but often out of stock.

Only thing that knocked out my anxiety (after 2 years of trying everything) was Gan Mai Da Zao Tang powder, a Chinese herb combo of Licorice, Wheat, and Jujube. I use this in conjunction with Chinese medicine and acupuncture. Absolute miracle.

I'm also on the Classical Pearls journey, a dozen different combos of various herbs - I don't know what they are called, only in Chinese. The herxing has made it difficult to say "It's working!" but I do believe there is progress and just being off antibiotics has helped my gut and overall health A TON.
Posted 7/16/2018 7:13 PM (GMT 0)
I was taking a turmeric extract and it was paired with black pepper for absorption. It wasn't a cheap brand.
Posted 7/16/2018 9:47 PM (GMT 0)
Oh, I didn’t answer the question though- it works for me in a few days. And when I stop, the pain or dizziness returns in a few days. So if you felt nothing, it either wasn’t strong enough or it just doesn’t work in your body the way it does others.
Some people swear by CBD oil and it did nothing for me.

In other news, I did herx super hard from citrus seed extract (Agrisept-L) so I believe there’s something to that. But I changed protocols before resuming, so I can’t say what it does long-term.
Posted 7/16/2018 11:50 PM (GMT 0)

BabsBunny said...
Oh, I didn’t answer the question though- it works for me in a few days. And when I stop, the pain or dizziness returns in a few days. So if you felt nothing, it either wasn’t strong enough or it just doesn’t work in your body the way it does others.
Some people swear by CBD oil and it did nothing for me.

In other news, I did herx super hard from citrus seed extract (Agrisept-L) so I believe there’s something to that. But I changed protocols before resuming, so I can’t say what it does long-term.

Cbd oil helped me a lot at one time, but then I had a few episodes that scared the heck out of me and I altogether stopped using it. I think I'll probably make a post about it because I'd like to see what others say about it.
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