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Posted 7/16/2018 9:47 AM (GMT 0)
I can say with great confidence that Lyme Disease is a toxin and nutrient deficiency induced disease. This causes phylum-level changes in the microbiota, reduced bacterial diversity and altered representation of bacterial genes and metabolic pathways. Those struggling to get well may have or developed into MSIDS which is the next progression of the disease. The main pathogens that must be addressed in MSIDS varies per individual, but candida, borrelia, and normal GI bacteria are commonly pathogenic. If you are overly sick and not responding to treatment, more than likely, you are treating the wrong bacteria/pathogen or biofilms are impeding your progress.

I posted my conclusions on Facebook yesterday as to why we should eat a plant based diet and why we should eat limited animal protein. This may not apply for someone who is unhealthy because changing the way they eat may increase oxidative stress beyond their capacity to reduce it. You could get into a situation where a reduced immune response gets increased and overwhelming to your detoxification pathways.

If you want to get well and maintain health, a goal would be to eat a whole plant based diet. That may not be possible, but IMO, that is what we are meant to eat. I don't say that lightly, but it must be said.
Posted 7/16/2018 3:15 PM (GMT 0)
I ate a plant-based diet for a large portion of my illness and I found it helpful. As I've gotten better I've opened my diet back up a bit.

Yeah, I think these illnesses are toxin based with those who get most sick being the one's with immune system genetics predisposing them to stronger responses to the toxins and problems with eliminating the toxins.

Given the immuno-suppressive nature of these infections I think they end up making it hard to clear low-level infections that our systems would normally handle with no problem. It becomes a cumulative effect, with our immune system continually hamstrung and unable to clear low-level infections that add up over time, along with reactivation of old dormant infections.

I had a lot of gut issues at my sickest, and I remember testing positive for multiple variants of shigella, and I was like why the heck is that in my system, that is almost always self-clearing. As I've gone through effective treatments I don't have gut issues anymore. My guess is that knocking down babesia (as well bartonella and borrelia) has really allowed my body to clear some of those other opportunistic infections.
Posted 7/16/2018 5:44 PM (GMT 0)
Georgia Hunter,

THRILLED to see you post again!!!!!

Thanks for the input.

When you say "Lyme Disease is a toxin and nutrient deficiency induced disease," do you believe Lyme disease itself causes the nutrient deficiencies and reduced ability to clear toxins or that people develop chronic Lyme symptoms when they have accumulated excess toxins or nutrient deficiencies?

I believe it works both ways and becomes a perpetuating cycle at some point that is hard to stop. Gene activation seems to kick in as well, and turning that switch off isn't easy.

BTW, care to comment more on biofilm? I saw you made a mention of it in your post. Charlie55 posted a discussion the other day on biofilm. I'd be interested in what your thoughts are.

Post Edited (WalkingbyFaith) : 7/16/2018 11:49:37 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 7/16/2018 7:28 PM (GMT 0)

WalkingbyFaith said...
Georgia Hunter,

THRILLED to see you post again!!!!!

Thanks for the input.

When you say "Lyme Disease is a toxin and nutrient deficiency induced disease," do you believe Lyme disease itself causes the nutrient deficiencies and reduced ability to clear toxins or that people develop chronic Lyme symptoms when they have accumulated excess toxins or nutrient deficiencies?

I believe it works both ways and becomes a perpetuating cycle at some point that is hard to stop. Gene activation seems to kick in as well, and turning that switch off isn't easy.

BTW, care to comment more on biofilm? I saw you made a mention of it in your post. Charlie55 posted a discussion the other day on biofilm. I'd be interested in what your thoughts are.


It can happen both ways. The more virulent strains of borrelia can cause the nutrient depletion and toxin issues, but the lesser strains just hang around and survive. Other toxins can also cause it like sebreg said. Either way, it's a GI issue that develops into a systemic issue.
Posted 7/17/2018 2:05 AM (GMT 0)
I was sick for years and years before I got Lyme with environmental toxin overload, some GI issues, and other symtoms that were really hard to pin down. I'm sure my immune system was already weakened.
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