K Lewis - Identifying vancomycin as an effective antibiotic for killing Borrelia burgdorferi

Pirouette did several months on Vancomycin - I think that was her main treatment.

She has been doing well.

That reminds me - I should email her and see how she’s doing

Psilociraptor said...
They keep saying it "cleared infection" and yet more than half the mice were persistently PCR positive. Not sure I'm following the logic. Seems as if they're basing it on culture positivity alone which has already been demonstrated to often not work following treatment. Am I wrong?

I know right!!!

I appreciate all the work Kim Lewis is doing, but I can still tell that he's leaning towards chronic lyme being some sort of autoimmune condition. Yet he still says a small fraction of patients are infected...

Let me explain something to you, once things are in motion in the medical community, it's hard for Doctors to go against the grain. No one wants to make waves in the industry because you're going against a multi-billion dollar establishment! We've all seen how many LLMDs licenses have been revoked over the years, what happens to a Doctor/Scientist's grant, when he starts preaching chronic lyme is an infection. This is just hypothetical of course... You have to remember whom ever is funding these Lyme universities or labs studying this disease, could already has a bias opinion about the disease.

It's very much how the studies about Marijuana and sugar/fat have been manipulated over the years. Come to find out, all those studies were infiltrated and corrupted.
/www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/09/13/493739074/50-years-ago-sugar-industry-quietly-paid-scientists-to-point-blame-at-fat

In this video /youtu.be/rLKyKYWlzjA you see that Dr. Kim Lewis is leaning on the side that overuse of antibiotics like Doxycycline is causing the chronic symptoms from Lyme.

I'm not buying it all, if lyme is in the brain, and most oral antibiotics don't cross the blood brain barrier. Most likely the borrelia infection in the brain is whats causing the fogginess. As well as the fatigue!

Not once have I heard Kim Lewis talk about the resiliency of borrelia bacteria due to the biofilms, not once! Yet for other microbiologists like Dr. Sapi, thinks thats the main reason why lyme is so hard to treat. Lewis thinks a drug like Disulfiram is just going to magically kill of all the borrelia bacteria persisters. Well how does Disulfiram reach the persisters, when the persister cells are hidden under biofilms?

Then there's the thought of these much resilient persister cell forms of coinfections such as bartonella and babesia, has Dr. Lewis ever talked about these coinfections? I saw in Dr. H recent presention, he stressed how even Bartonella and Babesia can have persister cell forms. Plus the fact that a lot of Doctors still aren't properly treating these coinfections, which could be keeping patients chronic.

From my experience, we've certainly made strides in the lyme community with recent breakthroughs on what herb works on a biofilm and what antibiotic works on what persister cell. But a lot of LLMDs still aren't using these protocols and for some, they aren't always working.

Doctors like Dr. H and Dr. B know this is a chronic infection, because they've seen with their own eyes of treating patients over the years, plus themselves and their own family members. Dr. H has treated his wife over the years and he's seen how she's still herxing from antibiotics like Dapsone after years of treatment with traditional antibiotics, we're talking 5-10 years. As well as Dr. B's own experience of contracting lyme years ago.

You realize through their symptoms, from herxing and ups and downs, most likely this is still a chronic infection.

Question is, why do I still herx from antibiotics after 9 years of antibiotic treatment? Dr. Kim Lewis is without a doubt a well educated individual and has experience studying lyme over the years, but my guess is, he has absolutely no experience in treating lyme patients, so he lacks a lot of experience and education in that area.

Maybe if he was more hands on, he'd have a better understanding of the Disease. Just putting a bacteria in a petri dish and mice, doesn't mean you know everything there is to know about this disease.

It's the same thing how these young kids come out of college with degrees and they think they know everything they're is to know about their own profession... That's until they get their own hands dirty in the field, then they realize they don't know crap.

Considering that lyme bacteria is a spirochete and human bodies are much bigger than a rat or a mouse, this spirochete bacteria has much more advantage over us because they have a larger displacment of tissue to hide in, probably bone too.

I think there's so much that Dr. Lewis is lacking.... I had my hopes up about the guy, but I seriously think he's just going down a rabbit hole thinking this is an autoimmune disease. The CDC and IDSA has been doing this for years, what have they come up with?

There's already plenty of autoimmune drugs on the market, what have they done for chronic Lyme patients? Absolutely nothing...

The proof is in the puding, the people that do get better, are the patients who treat with antimicrobial therapy such as pharmaceutical antibiotics and herbs.

Believe me, I'm very much disappointed in this guy, as much as you guys on this forum. I heard through a lyme patient who communicated with him through email on the Drug disulfiram, asking a few questions. Dr. Lewis just basically flat out told the patient she doesn't have neurological lyme or chronic lyme...

The guy is very much bias after seeing his opinions on Chronic Lyme!

Post Edited (Charlie55) : 8/25/2018 1:33:37 PM (GMT-6)

mpost said...


However please check the abstract of his study. He never says any of the things u mention are false. Biofilm, persisters, etc... But the truth is, what ever the cause, if u get a much more potent antibiotic very early in the disease, chances of later complications are much lower. And this is by all means desirable. And vanco is BETTER than doxy. However doctors will not prescribe vanco to people with lyme in fear of losing license. Vanco is considered a powerful antibiotic used for life threatening disease, such as Cdiff.

Studies such as these provide fuel for these doctors to prescribe vanco for lyme too, and if u go from 30% PTLDS (i really think it is higher than 10-20%) to say 10% because u used a very good antibiotic early on, i would call that a huge success...

So let's not throw rocks at him just because he suggests a better antibiotic instead of doxy. The situation is really bad, doxy is a weak abx and is de facto early lyme treatment.

I don't think Dr. Lewis believes biofilms and peristers are fake, I just thinks he doesn't want to believe that they're the main cause for chronic lyme.

Bottom line, he suspects chronic lyme is due to longterm overuse of a weak oral antibiotic in the beginning such as doxycycline and it's leading to an imbalanced microbiome which is leading to an autoimmune disorder, aka chronic lyme.

Hey, we know for a fact using a weak antibiotic in the beginning can lead to a much more reslient bacteria to treat down the road, but leading to an autoimmune disorder in all these chronic lyme patients? I'm quite skeptic of all that. Sure lyme disease might lead into something like what Michael J Fox has if the infection is left untreated for a long time, but I don't think chronic lyme is due to imbalanced micribiome. And I can assure you, others that have treated in this field for a long time such as Dr. J and Dr. H probably don't either.

After treating this disease myself for almost 10 years, pulling myself off of antibiotics for 8 months straight right around the 5 year mark, remind you I was always using probiotics. Then switching to natural herbs. It wasn't an autoimmune disorder that came ravaging back after 8 months, it was a borrelia infection.

Did I weaken my immune system for 5 years worth of antibiotics, possibly.... However, that's not what Dr. Kim Lewis is saying, he's saying it's autoimmune, flat out!!!!

And I don't think him, going down the rabbit hole, trying to cure chronic lyme with some drug to treat an autoimmune disorder is going to lead to anything. I really don't, I think he's wasting his time and this valuable time could be spent elsewhere.

I've seen the statistic he's given out on what percentage of lyme patients he believes have a real chronic infection. I've seen how he calls chronic lyme "PTLDS," aka IDSA terminology!!! I've seen how he treated one chronic lyme patient, suggesting that she doesn't have a chronic lyme infection. I think he's completely wrong, so wrong, I decided to finally give my opinion on Dr. Lewis.

I'm sorry, if it looks like a duck and quaks like a duck... He's leaning towards the IDSA side! So far I'm not liking where Dr. Lewis is headed with chronic lyme, it could very well much be a dead end, considering he thinks a lot of these chronic lyme patients are suffering from an autoimmune disorder through an imbalanced micribiome.

You can spin it however way you want, but his opinion is out and it's a little dissapointing.

I call bullcrap, considering my own experience with this disease for a whole decade and listening to what the top lyme literate doctors like Dr. H and Dr. J have to say on the subject, as well as micriobioligists Dr. MacDonald And Dr. Sapi. Both Dr. MacDonald and Dr. Sapi have been studying Lyme for a lot longer than Dr. Lewis and they both believe it's due to a chronic infection, most likely due to biofilms and persister cell forms.

And again, maybe if Dr. Lewis was out in the field, with actual patients, rather than sitting behind a computer and microscope, it might lead him to believe it's a chronic infection through and through. Beginning, middle, and end of treatment... Rather than looking through a microscope and guessing.

Post Edited (Charlie55) : 8/25/2018 4:57:15 PM (GMT-6)

Girlie said...
Charlie:
"Let me explain something to you, once things are in motion in the medical community, it's hard for Doctors to go against the grain. No one wants to make waves in the industry because you're going against a multi-billion dollar establishment! We've all seen how many LLMDs licenses have been revoked over the years, what happens to a Doctor/Scientist's grant, when he starts preaching chronic lyme is an infection...."


Just recently LLMD MR (Seattle, WA) closed his practice because of investigation....figured he'd be losing his license.... So it's still happening....unbelievable. (maybe you already knew this)

If they're losing their license to practice because of long-term antibiotic prescriptions...then how come you can take minocycline for acne for years?

Doesn't make sense to me.

Thanks for chiming in Girlie, yeah it doesn't make sense does it. Nor does it make sense how opioids and these autoimmune drugs are given longterm for patients, have much more extreme side effects than antibiotics and they just mask symptoms!!!

What I see is, is a medical community not looking to cure disease, but disease management and symptoms maintenance to make money from us. - Pharmaceutical Rep Gwen Olsen

And again back to Dr. Lewis and this being autoimmune. What I'm still seeing is, Doctors like Dr. Lewis still blaming lyme patients for their disease, this time suggesting "we're using too much of doxycycline" and this is what's causing lyme disease to become chronic.

Yeah... Ummm I call bullcrap!!! I think they've known all along how resilient the spirochete is through old studies like the corrupt illegal experiment on black african american pilots, called the Tuskegee Experiment. This is the reason you cannot forget history folks. It teaches you, just as it teaches them. They've known all this time... Don't buy into the autoimmune crap!!!
/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_syphilis_experiment

Don't forget about the lawsuit down in Texas, suggesting the IDSA and CDC knew all along chronic lyme would be hard to kill and it would cost insurance companies billions of dollars in IV antibiotics, probably put them out of business.

Just my opinion...

Post Edited (Charlie55) : 8/25/2018 4:59:13 PM (GMT-6)

Kim Lewis is one of the lead experts in persister cell biology. I have no doubts in his competence and am not throwing rocks at him. I don't agree with the assessment that he supports the autoimmune nature of PLDS. He has been a prominent figure opposed to it. Just trying to understand if he has missed a glaringly obvious problem, or whether I'm a dummy and missed something. Everyones human. I'm just trying to understand why culture negativity/PCR positivity is being interpreted as "eradication"

As for the intended purpose of the study, I think it satisfied that end. However, ceftriaxone is already approved for Lyme disease and vancomycin is unlikely to be used due to it's "last resort" status for treating multi-drug resistant bacteria that are otherwise lethal. However, this could certainly encourage physicians to explore using ceftriaxone as front line treatment in place of doxy and that would be wonderful if these results translated into humans.

ToddPaul said...
Charlie- Since you had success with Disulfiram combined with stevia maybe that's the key with these persister drugs since docs are saying it doesn't seem to work for their patients

You also had success with Dapsone/stevia yet I belong to a Dapsone group on Fb and it seems most aren't seeing great gains or have to quit due to anemia well before theyve been on it long enough to evaluate it.

My LLMD says Disulfiram doesn't work and neither does Dapsone in the few patients he's given them to. Maybe just maybe combining them with stevia/serrapeptase/ copper is key in making them work. Sounds too easy but I may talk with another Lyme doc I'm going to see about trying that Disulfiram combo. Dapsone just scares me. Seeing way too many people becoming anemic in that group.

Interesting.

Dr. J has been prescribing it since 2013 or earlier. (Dapsone) - I think if he wasn't seeing enough success with it, he would have stopped prescribing it.

I think taking it daily for months - is setting you up for anemia. But, they should be taking folic acid daily.
I'm taking 10 mg of Folic acid the days I take the Dapsone.

But, my protocol is one week a month for 5 days...so thats likely why the anemia isn't an issue.

"You said it, leading expert in "persister cell biology," that's vague terminology"

No, it's really not. Kim Lewis studies persister cells. That is cells that persist drug treatment. From E. coli, to Borrelia, to Mycobacteria. He may not be a "Lyme expert" but Lyme experts are not "persister cell experts" either. In fact, I've heard Sapi and Middleveen totally obfuscate the topic of L-forms, "cysts", and round bodies which are completely distinct entities. They need someone like Lewis to sort their crap out.

Anyways, I don't know where the rest of that rant came from. Lewis's work centers heavily on persister biology, not autoimmunity. In other words his work is pretty much geared towards demonstrating bacterial persistence, not autoimmunity, is the driver of chronic illness and can be treated with antibiotics. So I have no idea where you're getting these ideas from. And anyways, someone like Dr. H couldn't function without someone like Lewis to publish on the biology of these things. Dr. H is a clinician, not a bench scientist. Clinicians don't have the tools and skills to figure out which antibiotics are needed to treat novel scenarios.

Psilociraptor said...


No, it's really not. Kim Lewis studies persister cells. That is cells that persist drug treatment. From E. coli, to Borrelia, to Mycobacteria. He may not be a "Lyme expert" but Lyme experts are not "persister cell experts" either. In fact, I've heard Sapi and Middleveen totally obfuscate the topic of L-forms, "cysts", and round bodies which are completely distinct entities. They need someone like Lewis to sort their crap out.

Anyways, I don't know where the rest of that rant came from. Lewis's work centers heavily on persister biology, not autoimmunity. In other words his work is pretty much geared towards demonstrating bacterial persistence, not autoimmunity, is the driver of chronic illness and can be treated with antibiotics. So I have no idea where you're getting these ideas from. And anyways, someone like Dr. H couldn't function without someone like Lewis to publish on the biology of these things. Dr. H is a clinician, not a bench scientist. Clinicians don't have the tools and skills to figure out which antibiotics are needed to treat novel scenarios.

Hey I hope you're right, you sound quite confident!

Strange, I've read numerous articles of Lewis downplaying persister cell side of lyme and uplaying the autoimmune part!

/www.boston25news.com/news/for-chronic-lyme-disease-patients-frustration-but-new-hope/803763936

Dr. Kim Lewis said...
But Dr. Lewis says human trials of a potential treatment for PTLDS are on the horizon. That treatment is based on the observation that 'chronic' Lyme symptoms bear a resemblance to some auto-immune diseases that arise because of a bacterial imbalance in the gut, or what is known as the 'microbiome.

Yeah I'm not sure where the rant about autoimmune came from... I really don't!

Dr. Kim Lewis said...
Broad spectrum antibiotics like doxycycline that are used to treat acute Lyme Disease of course they wreck the microbiome and they paradoxically can be a contributing factor to devloping PTLDS," Lewis said. That's because they do not selectively kill Lyme Disease bacteria.

Sounds like Dr. Kim has it all figured out Psilociraptor, no mention of coinfections or biofilms playing a role in chronic lyme. He thinks he's going to cure lyme with just disilifram and not a biofilm buster, and that's going to take care of all these chronic patients, won't have to worry about that anymore.

Strange though, I've heard elsewhere through another source, that in order to treat chronic lyme you'll need a major drug that's being directly made for biofilm busting called Curza CZ-1-99
/kutv.com/news/local/utah-drug-research-company-curza-takes-aim-at-lyme-disease

I guess biofilm doesn't play a role in chronic lyme... Nor does the coinfections like mycoplasma, babesia, bartonella, Ehrlichia. You won't need other specific drugs for those coinfections, nope!

Psilociraptor said...

In fact, I've heard Sapi and Middleveen totally obfuscate the topic of L-forms, "cysts", and round bodies which are completely distinct entities. They need someone like Lewis to sort their crap out.

Yep, Dr. Lewis is going to sort all of Dr. Sapi's crap out, she must not know what she's talking about when she did that recent autopsy on a body that still showed active biofilms and spirochetes in a dead lyme patient after 16 years of antibiotics. This patient must of died from PTLDS... Probably has nothing to do with the biofilms and spirochetes that were still in her body
youtu.be/_gOjG7QZomw?t=12m15s

Getting passed all the sarcasm, rest assured, I guarantee chronic lyme is not simple as Dr. Kim suggests. And I'll put money on it, that chronic lyme or should I say PTLDS, isn't caused from longterm use of doxycycline. lol Other studies have shown that chronic lyme is still a persistent infection... But hey, if you want to buy into the autoimmune PTLDS, go for it. Everyone has a right to seek out any treatment they want... Good luck!

Post Edited (Charlie55) : 8/25/2018 10:02:44 PM (GMT-6)

Psilociraptor said...
Which is why you can't diss on Lewis for his vital contributions.

I'm not dissing on Lewis's contributions, I'm skeptic of his theory on chronic lyme being cause due to imbalance of gut flora. And again, anyone who's using the acronym "PTLDS" in their studies, is obviously being somewhat influenced by the IDSA and CDC. This is why I'm fishy of his analyzation of chronic lyme and again, I'm very unpleased how he treated a chronic lyme patient through email when she was reaching out on the drug disulfiram.

I've seen the way he's leaning with chronic lyme and I'm not happy with it, so all of a sudden I'm throwing rocks at the guy and his vital contributions, lol. There's so many people in the lyme coummunity, that if you criticize anything their lyme leader says, you're chastised for it. Dude, seriously, even some of the stuff Dr. Horrowitz says is quite embellished at times and even he should be criticized for it. Like how many patients he actually cures... He throws out statistics without actually knowing for sure.... It's guessing and he knows it, but I still hold him to the highest regards.

Psilociraptor said...


I don't know why you think I'm buying into "autoimmune PTLDS". I never stated that or anything like it.

Yeah sure, I probably shouldn't suggest you're buying into it, but then again, these are you're words saying all he works on is persister biology and not autoimmunity, but here is he talking about chronic lyme being autoimmune, and you're completely dismissing what he said. Then also saying you don't have an idea where I'm getting my ideas from.

Bottom line, I think you're putting words in his mouth to prove a point you believe in, not his. Which is that chronic lyme is persister cells and not autoimmunity, but here he is, his exact words

Dr. Kim Lewis said...
But Dr. Lewis says human trials of a potential treatment for PTLDS are on the horizon. That treatment is based on the observation that 'chronic' Lyme symptoms bear a resemblance to some auto-immune diseases that arise because of a bacterial imbalance in the gut, or what is known as the 'microbiome.

Broad spectrum antibiotics like doxycycline that are used to treat acute Lyme Disease of course they wreck the microbiome and they paradoxically can be a contributing factor to devloping PTLDS," Lewis said. That's because they do not selectively kill Lyme Disease bacteria.

Psilociraptor said...
"
Anyways, I don't know where the rest of that rant came from. Lewis's work centers heavily on persister biology, not autoimmunity. In other words his work is pretty much geared towards demonstrating bacterial persistence, not autoimmunity, is the driver of chronic illness and can be treated with antibiotics. So I have no idea where you're getting these ideas from.

Look man, you take out Dr. Lewis theory on chronic lyme cause being due to "doxycycline and unblanced micribiome" and it's basically the same thing the IDSA and CDC has been stating for decades, chronic lyme is autoimmune. The only thing he's done is, basically stated the cause. I hope you realize that!!!

Psilociraptor said...


In fact since you love Horowitz so much here is Horowitz applauding his work on Borrelia persisters evidencing the fact that people like Horowitz are relying on his research https://on-lyme.org/en/sufferers/lyme-stories/item/255-is-there-hope-for-lyme-patients-interview-with-dr-richard-horowitz

Dr. Horrowitz has been applauding the work being done by the tick borne working group, even if Dr. Wormser was still in there, Dr. Horrowitz would be applauding Wormsers work. It was the lyme patients who objected Wormser being in there, remember that. Dr. Horrowitz keeps actual opinion of people behind closed doors because he's constantly in the public eye or should I say lyme light, he says professional at all times.

But yes, Dr. Kims work on what drugs work on lyme persister cells have been very beneficial. Without a doubt they have, but his recent comments are leaning towards chronic lyme being autoimmune. You can spin it however way you want, suggest he still believes some lyme patients are still suffering from a persistent infection, but I think that's just you talking. I really do....

Personally, I think the longer you've gone untreated for Lyme Disease, is whats going to dictate whether or not you've developed a chronic infection. As well as if you've been infected with coinfections...

Post Edited (Charlie55) : 8/25/2018 11:11:44 PM (GMT-6)

ToddPaul said...
Girlie- I didn't mean to imply there weren't successes. There were some in the group calling Dapsone a game changer but one of the problems is many had to quit due to anemia. I will tell you though that many are saying it's a 1-2 year protocol and some have been on it for that long. I don't think anemia will be an issue for you either since you're only taking it 5 days out of the month.

Charlie- Glad to hear you're still having success with the Disulfiram/stevia combo. I'm wondering if a colloidal copper may be the way to go instead of a pill. I have an appt. in 3 weeks with a new Lyme specialist that worked under Dr. H. She's big on rxing Dapsone but will see if she's willing to put me on Disulfiram instead. How much are you taking and are you pulsing it?

I'll tell ya what, for two whole weeks of being on 25mg Dapsone daily, I felt completely normal. The most normal I've felt in treatment. I mean, I have to say I feel the best I've felt in years right now. But there was the point when I first got on Dapsone, I felt cured, seriously...

I really think they've stumbled onto something here with these new persister cell drugs. But holding that normal feeling and developing drug that can permanently push the bacteria back, where you're in remission, might be harder than we think. I've heard the same thing as well, being on Dapsone for a whole year is what some patients must do in order to maybe reach remission. Without a doubt that's going to be impossible for many lyme patients, considering the side effects and anemia.

And recently, I did add copper to my regimen with Disulfiram and Stevia/Xylitol. I've never felt the herxing I've felt when being on Disulfiram, such as pins and needle feelings in my brain, muscle twitches in my brain. Without a doubt Disulfiram is reaching borrelia in my brain other drugs can't target.

To the struggle, cheers Keep pushing on and moving forward, I sure hope some type of new drug comes on the market shortly for lyme patients. Whether it's this new drug Dr. Lewis has been working on, Curza, whatever. I think Chronic Lyme Disease Patients deserve something. We've waited long enough!

I'd buy you a beer Psilociraptor, if were at the bar... Anyways, just smoking some weed right now will have to do. Hope for the best, whether Lewis leans persister or autoimmune, only time will tell....

Post Edited (Charlie55) : 8/25/2018 11:27:30 PM (GMT-6)

As you know, many llmd’s are now saying it’s not the bacteria itself but the response of our immune system causing the damage and symptoms. Like the flu - it’s not the virus causing fever, etc but our immune systems response to getting rid of the virus. So yes, it could be we are responding to persisters or stuck in the response cycle. There needs to be a way to determine between the two because if it’s the latter than throwing abx at it will just do more harm to the immune system than good, imo.

Some see results with DNRS, which would indicate that those people have a limbic system dysfunction and are stuck in a chronic stress response.

Hey Psilociraptor, I'm back, did a little digging in my Facebook messages today and actually found the message Dr. Lewis sent to my friend...

Dr. Kim Lewis said...


we currently do not have a treatment for PTLDS, as you know. Disulfiram failed in our initial mouse study, probably due to a very short in vivo lifetime of the compound, especially in mice. We now have a protective formulation of disulfiram that clears an acute infection of Bb in mice. However, it is not clear to me that the remaining Bb in patients with PTLDS is causing the disease. One factor that we see in patients with PTLDS is a change in their microbiome composition, and we are in the early stages of planning an FMT clinical trial to fix this and see if this helps.

You clearly do not have a serious neurological disorder. Barring that, symptoms in some patients with PTLDS resolve on their own. I wish you good luck.

Psilociraptor said...


But your critique here is so far off the rails. You're picking up on buzzwords like "autoimmunity" and not actually listening to what the man is saying which is directly tying that to "persistence".

So first off, you said that my critique is far off the rails and Kim isn't officially suggesting Chronic Lyme is autoimmune, lol, but here he is in this message suggesting that this patient doesn't have a serious neurological disorder, yet he hasn't even met her in person. A vibe, we've all similarly got from IDSA ID Doctors and the medical industry. How can he sit there and say this, when a borrelia infection can very much wreak havoc on the brain and cause serious neurological problems.

He also remarked "it is not clear to me that the remaining Bb in patients with PTLDS is causing the disease."

I don't know if you know this yet, I must of missed this article last night, but a new updated article suggests he's going to treat Chronic Lyme, aka PTLDS with Fecal Matter Transplant.

/www.wpxi.com/news/top-stories/lyme-disease-patients-experience-symptoms-after-thinking-they-were-cured-1/815946843

So hate to say this, but looks as though Dr. Kim Lewis has hopped on the IDSA/CDC bandwaggon and is going to treat chronic lyme with just FMT. Which means, I'm breaking it down now for ya Psilociraptor, "no persister cell antibiotics" for "chronic lyme" patients. Lewis might use that new persister cell drug he's working on, probably a derivative of disulfiram, in early stages lyme disease patients, hence when he said an "acute infection" of Bb in mice, but not for "chronic lyme" patients.

All this is worth talking about here folks, because if this guys theory becomes mainstream in the medical community.... Get ready for it..... that means Doctors are going to still believe that chronic lyme is autoimmune, lol. I hate to say that, but then again, you need to prepare your mind for it. Just as I have...

I'm quite open minded to trying the Fecal Matter Transplant, especially if my insurance company pays for it, but I'm really skeptic this treatment will have any affect on chronic lyme after seeing and reading other studies on how resilient traditional bacteria has become in recent years. I mean they're have tough times keeping surgical tool sterile just in hospitals due to biofilms.

"550,000 fatalities each year are attributed to these biofilms in the US"

www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-5821197/Applying-tea-tree-oil-extracts-surgical-tools-kill-deadly-bugs.htm

And again, I have my doubts because of my own experience of coming off of antibiotics after 5-6 years of treatment, then arthritis came raging back in my shoulder, hands, neurological problems, and fatgiue. When I went on antibiotics, they slowly cleared away again. This isn't due to an imbalanced microbiome, aka PTLDS.

The bottom line is, they still don't have an accurate way to track this bacteria in a living human body, I suspect due to the borrelia hiding under biofilms. Seems to me, the medical industry will keep believing in the autoimmune garbage as long as there isn't an accurate diagnostic test, regardless if Dr. Sapi does an autopsy on a patient that still shows biofilms and spirochetes in a patient after 16 years of antibiotics.
youtu.be/rLKyKYWlzjA

I think Dr. Lewis work on autoimmune is taking him down a black hole, but hey, maybe he'll come up with something. Any type of work is progress right, maybe? Hopefully?

lyme-basics.com/2017/07/30/interview-kim-lewis/

Dr. Kim Lewis said...
We should not be treating patients for 3 months with antibiotics that have enormous side-effects, wipe out the microbiome and do all kinds of nasty things. We should do considerably better than that. There is little doubt that it is because there are dormant persister-cells. So this is where I see obvious ways to intervene.

I also find it amusing that Dr. Lewis thinks antibiotics have "enormous side effects." Those were his exact words, I'd love to hear what he thinks of using longterm pain pills like opioids and auto immune drugs on lyme patients and what would that due to the organs in their body. Even the chemotherapy and radiation they currently use on Cancer patients....

Funny he says enormous side effects, but I remember reading an article showing that using doxycycline with vitamin c together could kill cancer more effectively than tradition treatment they use, which means chemotherapy and radiation.

/www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28978032
/www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/06/170612094405.htm

Question, whats with Doctors demonizing antibiotics in modern day?

And honestly, they've been using doxycycline longterm for Acne patients, even other bacterial infections longterm. How come a large percentage of those patients aren't getting PTLDS from the overuse of doxycycline?

All this gets you thinkin, doesn't it...

"Vitamin C and antibiotics could be up to 100 TIMES more effective than drugs at killing cancer cells - without the side effects"
www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-4588564/Antibiotics-vitamin-C-kill-cancer-cells.html

Post Edited (Charlie55) : 8/27/2018 11:53:39 PM (GMT-6)