Biofilm busters idea from Dr Horrowitz Interview

For the oil of oregano: pure encapsulations brand, I was taking 1 capsule twice a day
Biocidin: https://biocidin.com/biocidin-lsf/
Stevia: Nutramedix brand

Super, that's great news that we can get the liposomal oregano oil without a script now.

Hopkinton I think is moving toward making Liposomal Oregano, non-prescription. I notice they changed the bottle of it of two months ago. so, they are probably getting closer.

I just looked up the liposomal oil of oregano from Hopkinton. Very expensive - $93 for a 30 day supply. Also noticed it contains alpha lipoic acid (ALA), but they don’t indicate how much ALA is in it. That could be potentially problematic for those with amalgams, mercury toxicity, or are actively chelating.

What other brands of oil of oregano have you found to be good quality and effective?

I ordered Biocidin after reading about it on here, but have been afraid to take it. I’m not on abx, just very low doses of herbs, as I am able to tolerate. Do you think I should try the Biocidin or not? How much and how often should I take it?

Post Edited (WalkingbyFaith) : 12/4/2018 2:54:51 PM (GMT-7)

sebreg said...

Stevia: Nutramedix brand

https://www.lymedisease.org/lyme-sci-whats-story-stevia/

You know that for a fact? Just curious, because Dr. H follows Dr. Sapi's work and she was using whole leaf stevia by Sweat Leaf brand. Don't start spewing out information you don't know, because there's a lot of patients who have misinterpreted the proper use of Stevia and just used the granule form and claim Stevia didn't work for them. I've tried Nutramedix products before, I find them overpriced, diluted and hyped up compared to the traditional cats claw and stevia which can be found in much more concentrated forms at a cheaper price.

I've tried the Nutramedix products, not once have I ever herxed from them.

sierraDon said...
Hopkinton I think is moving toward making Liposomal Oregano, non-prescription. I notice they changed the bottle of it of two months ago. so, they are probably getting closer.

Very interesting, I wouldn't be surprised that's what he used. Oregano oil never did anything for me, until I took it in essential oils form, which is very concentrated and claims kills persister cells through the John Hopkins study, which has been brought up again through the media.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-6458051/garlic-treat-lyme-disease-oils-food-staple-kill-bacteria.html

This is why it's very important to get a quality brand, very concentrated form or you maybe just using snake oil.

Plenty of times nutritional companies have been caught selling adulterated herbals.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/02/03/gnc-target-wal-mart-walgreens-accused-of-selling-fake-herbals/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.79b329929141

Same thing why I see people saying they tried CBD oil with no effect. Sometimes it's complex creating a good hemp oil that works well, these companies thought you could just sell a oil laced with the cannabinoid CBD and it would help people. Come to find out, you must included other cannabinoids like CBDa, CBN, CBG and the terpenes from the hemp plant to get the full synergistic effect.

Post Edited (Charlie55) : 12/4/2018 8:54:28 PM (GMT-7)

sebreg said...


Charlie - You’re being rude and disrespectful.

I believe Sebreg is (or was) a patient of Dr H.

How, all I said is you know that for a fact? I come on go on this forum on a weekly basis, I can't remember who sees what particular Lyme Doctor like you because you're a moderator.

I'm just asking on my own behalf because I'm interested if Dr. H recommends the overpriced Nutramedix brand of Stevia, while the Sweat Leaf brand only costs $10 a tincture and it's 1 oz more than the Nutramedix. I'd be surprised since Dr. H basis a lot of his work on supplements Dr. S uses, which the study was based on the Sweat Leaf brand.

There's numerous occasions where I've seen Lyme patients recommend certain types and brands, while there's much affordable and more concentrated options out there. Plus plenty of patients that took the granulated form, then thought Stevia didn't work for them. What type of supplement and brand you take is very important, just as it is with CBD oil. I'm not trolling for an argument here Girlie...

Anyone who comes on this forum would probably want to choose the cheaper option that gives you more in the bottle.

WalkingbyFaith said...
I just looked up the liposomal oil of oregano from Hopkinton. Very expensive - $93 for a 30 day supply. Also noticed it contains alpha lipoic acid (ALA), but they don’t indicate how much ALA is in it. That could be potentially problematic for those with amalgams, mercury toxicity, or are actively chelating.

And again, this goes back to what WalkingbyFaith mentioned, $93 for 30 days... Just like other lyme patients, I can't keep up with Nutramedix prices nor what that other company Hopkinton charges for oregano oil. It's absolutely ridiculous and it's absolutely ridiculous if Dr. H is recommending patients buy the Nutramedix brand or this other one, when NOW essential oils oregano oil or Sweat Leaf Wholeleaf Stevia will work just as well if not better. I know there's a toxicity safety to essential oils, but if you buy a good pure brand and dilute it properly you'll be just fine.

It's kind of sad that some LLMDs always recommend top high priced hyped brands, not considering that many Lyme patients don't have deep pockets. Even if you're taking these new persister cell drugs, I'd still prepare to being in treatment for a long time, so don't go and blow big money on overpriced supplements when other brands have them for much much much cheaper.

What if Dr. H recommends a couple or multiple brands of Stevia Girlie and sebreg just chose the Nutramedix brand himself because of all the hype surrounding that brand on the blogs and forums, I'd be interesting in knowing that... I suspect Dr. H doesn't sell these supplements in his office and leaves it up to the patient to buy them...

Post Edited (Charlie55) : 12/4/2018 10:52:23 PM (GMT-7)

WalkingbyFaith said...
I just looked up the liposomal oil of oregano from Hopkinton. Very expensive - $93 for a 30 day supply. Also noticed it contains alpha lipoic acid (ALA), but they don’t indicate how much ALA is in it. That could be potentially problematic for those with amalgams, mercury toxicity, or are actively chelating.

It's so frustrating that these supplements are so costly. How can we afford them - when we take several at the same time?
I'm supposed to order the LOLA and I keep putting it off because of the cost.
It's $63 for 33 servings. I'm not sure, but I might be taking 2 servings per day. So that's 16 days.
If I knew for sure it would be beneficial...then no problem...but I don't know it will....

Hopkington's OoO has 5mg ALA. Got an old bottle on my desk. I'm on the fence to decide to re-order. I've been taking it regularly since November 2017. $93/mo plus shipping is a large expense on top of my Woodland Essence tinctures, and cost of Alinia. Not sure if the benefit justifies the cost.

On top of that, my Silver BC&BS plan goes up $61 per month to $870, and my deductible goes up from $4800 to $5545 before I can even use it.

I hear that, my deductible is over 7000. health insurance hasn't been kind. i expect an increase in 2019 too. i spent a lot of money this year on it, i really hope it stablizes next year, and i am just looking at monthly supplements, and a few out of pocket doctor visits.

the other thing thats expensive is the probiotics. i have been running with VSL3, and am thinking about trying MegaSpore combined for a couple months.

WalkingByFaith, yes that is study. that was my take on it too, the alcohol extraction process. i suppose the Sweet Leaf brand could be formulated via alchohol extraction process, but have water in it (no alcohol) - is this possible.

i figured...i feel more comfortable the alcohol-extraction processed variety, more people use it regularly, more docs promote it, and the studies validate it.