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Posted 12/13/2018 3:49 PM (GMT 0)
I seem to have lymph edema (lymph fluid retension) in my lower legs. Its not real bed, but not normal either. People with "sock rings" after removing calf length regular socks will understand what im talking about.

Not lyme, but maybe can be partially from after affects, who knows. I dont rule out anything anymore as lyme does damage to the body long term.

Some people have multiple circulation issues, often Edema (slow Lymph fluid accumulation) and blood clotting go hand in hand, I seem to be one of them even though Iv been in great physical shape/conditioning whole life, even past 50. This is not a weight issue and this lymph issue caught me totally by surprise. Ive always felt I had some circulation issue, its hard to describe the feeling unless you know it.

I had a lower leg clot a few years ago the same month that I ended ABX. I went in to ER knowing the clotting gene ahead of time per 23/me and hereditary history. That leg now leaves sock marks and its getting worse, other leg too, not as bad though, but I can make pitting from pushing in with my thumb after not moving much. This is lymph fluid as blood clotting is harder.

Any advice/experience with this anyone?

I found/made a list of 8 supps, red root seems to be the most common.

Ive heard of "water pills"(what are they?) for "old people", I dont feel old but maybe I am lol!

thankls

Post Edited (astroman) : 12/13/2018 12:03:20 PM (GMT-7)

Posted 12/13/2018 5:07 PM (GMT 0)
Kidney issues can also cause fluid retention.

Have you had your kidney function tested lately? Although I think it would be later stages of kidney failure...and you'd most likely have other symptoms.


Astro - can't the edema also be from veins (more benign) - not just arteries?
Posted 12/13/2018 5:56 PM (GMT 0)
Edema is lymph fluid.

There is another term for light blood leaking just under the skin if thats what your thinking of - smooth red and blue in color, different than varicose veins. I have a little of that on the surface of where my clot was- the color never went away, might be a continuous light blood leak I dont know. BUT thats minimal.

I dont have much faith in conventional medicine, but I have an appt soon. A CMP panel will be done I imagine with kidney and liver labs.

There are no specialty Drs for this. At least its not bad....yet. Dont want "yet" to happen.

Post Edited (astroman) : 12/15/2018 8:44:07 AM (GMT-7)

Posted 12/13/2018 6:38 PM (GMT 0)

astroman said...
Edema is lymph fluid.

There is another term for light blood leaking just under the skin if thats what your thinking of - smooth red and blue in color, different than varicose veins. I have a little of that on the surface of where my clot was - the color never went away, might be a continuous light blood leak I dont know.

I dont have much faith in conventional medicine, but I have an appt soon. A CMP panel will be done I imagine with kidney and liver labs.

There are no specialty Drs for this. At least its not bad....yet. Dont want "yet" to happen.

Ok - I misunderstood - I thought you had swelling (fluid retention) in the lower legs...but you're talking about something else? you're talking about varicose veins?
Posted 12/13/2018 7:06 PM (GMT 0)
Girlie- I might have both, but this post is mainly asking about lymph fluid. I re-wrote my first few lines. Please reread the whole thing as it should make more sense now.
Posted 12/13/2018 8:04 PM (GMT 0)
My MIL has the swelling in her lower extremities and it's from poor circulation - ie heart not working as well as it should.

How does someone know it's Lymphedema? Does it present differently?
Is there any testing that can be done?



https://www.mayoclinic.org/symptoms/leg-swelling/basics/causes/sym-20050910
Posted 12/14/2018 5:33 PM (GMT 0)
I had really bad swelling in my feet for a while. I'm not sure exactly what made it go away, but I think one of the herbs I took must have helped. For some reason, taking boneset seemed to help.the most. Some of my edema I think was from bad diet, and I think some of it was the bartonella.
Posted 12/14/2018 10:48 PM (GMT 0)
Red sage (danshen) is another and isn’t a coagulant like red root. If you’re on blood thinner, a lot of herbs may be contraindicated.

I had swelling in my feet and legs for quite a while but didn’t realize it was edema. I would look down in the shower and wonder why my legs and feet looked fat, as I only weighed about 90 lbs at the time. It finally got so bad I could feel it when standing, and then I realized it was edema. I didn’t have pitting. My socks have left marks all my life. I thought everyone had that, LOL!!!

At some point a little over a year ago, my legs went back to normal. I caught it one morning before I got up and noticed how bony my knees and feet looked. I have pictures now of them with edema and without. No one else would have looked at me and thought my legs were swollen.

Mine was probably from bartonella. I probably do still have it come back at times but not to where I’m congnitively aware.
Posted 12/15/2018 2:04 AM (GMT 0)

WalkingbyFaith said...
Red sage (danshen) is another and isn’t a coagulant like red root. If you’re on blood thinner, a lot of herbs may be contraindicated..

thanks! - I didnt know this. I'm not on blood thinners, (was only for one week in the past) but I need to steer clear of anything that coagulates. Googled this and found the same info on Buners site:

http://buhnerhealinglyme.com/herbs/red-root-and-hypercoagulation/

Odd how red root moves and clears lymph fluid while possibly coagulating blood.
Posted 12/15/2018 2:21 AM (GMT 0)

Girlie said...
My MIL has the swelling in her lower extremities and it's from poor circulation - ie heart not working as well as it should.

How does someone know it's Lymphedema? Does it present differently?
Is there any testing that can be done?

https://www.mayoclinic.org/symptoms/leg-swelling/basics/causes/sym-20050910

I think it feels different when pressing. Lymph fluid feels more like puddy (memory pitting) when pressed into and leaves memory marks for a while. A DVT blood clot swelling in the calf is hard. Light blood vein "leakage" - I'm not sure what that presents. Guess Ill find out more from the "lymph lady" therapist.

Lymph swelling can ease up with elevated legs or "bike peddling" on your back with legs in the air. A clot wont have that effect. But then again, Im not sure what effect this has on light blood vein "seepgage".

I have a couple appointments lined up, including imaging and a lymph therapist. Meanwhile I'm limiting salt and taking an aspirin. Ive been known to over do sea salt and dill pickles - I'm (was?) a sea salt addict. BP this morn was 115/65 so Im good there.

There is a reflexology spot between big toe and 2nd toe that moves lymph........it actually worked, thanks you tube!

Post Edited (astroman) : 12/15/2018 8:48:46 AM (GMT-7)

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