Primaquine/Coartem/Stevia a Possible Cure for Lyme Babesia

Why haven't you reached remission when you're constantly treating with antiparasitic and antibacterial herbs after 5 years?

My opinion, has nothing to do with detox, heavy metals, other forms of parasites, mold, candida, or whatever... Sorry if this offends some, but remember, this is just my opinion, maybe it's not true, but hear me out.

We've made some super progress with Stevia and Dapsone protocol for treating lyme and babesia all at once.

My suspicion is Dapsone hit babesia and borrelia hard, but does not hit the dormant form of this parasite in the liver.

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/1/124567?#000001
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/1/40630?#000000

A long time ago this was talked about some lyme patients on lyme net, those that took this combo helped them reach remission. Again, not a cure overnight, but definitely with rotating the combo, it helped some patients reach remission with Lyme/Babesia in a months time, versus 6 months to a year with Mepron/Malarone or any other antibiotics/antiparsitics that's been given to lyme patients for years.

Could herbs like Artmesia and Cryptolepsis possibly cure lyme and babesia like Stephen Buhner said? Possibly, but with the recent new study coming out from Yale, even most antiparasitic drugs don't effectively kill Babesia. Take that into perspective, then biofilms, and how Babesia has developed into a resistant parasite after overuse of Malarone/Mepron like Dr. Rawls said.

I think it's very much likely that this new drug tafenoquine ILADs posted about on Twitter is going to help cure lyme. It's very much likely that the dormant form of Babesia in the liver is what's keep lyme persistent. And it's very much likely most the patients that come down with Lyme are getting either 2 Bs or even 3Bs, again, then add biofilms in the picture, no wonder why some lyme patients are taking a decade to reach remission.

Sadly, I'm not sure why Pocono and some of the others that took the coartem/primaquine protocol share this more on the lyme forums. If you do your research, you'll find out that there's only one antiparasitic drug on the market that cures certain forms of Malaria that lay dormant in the liver and that's Primaquine. The new one will be Tafenoquine.

And for those that have all 3 Bs, I did hear that ILADs is working on a persister cell drug for Bartonella.

It's very much likely you'll probably have to go through 2 or 3 rounds or Coartem/Primaquine protocol in order to reach remission if you have Babesia/Borrelia infection. If you have all three, many who knows. You'll also have to use some form of biofilm buster like stevia with the Coartem/Primaquine protocol to make it work a lot more effectively.

This explains why years ago borrelia on its own was so easy to treat. Now with climate change, more ticks spreading and more pathogens mixing together with time, these pathogens becoming resistant with drugs, along with resistance from evolution, then put biofilms in the picture, we have one chronic resistant infection.

Believe me, the government and IDSA/CDC knows whats going on. ILADS/IDSA aren't seeing two different things under a microscope.

And don't get me wrong, even though "I don't think" mold and heavy metals are playing role in this multisystemic disease being chronic, you have to keep your kidneys and liver detoxed, whether it's supplemetns like liver aid, milk thistle, and alpha lipoic acid supplements at Walmart. Along with mainly drinking water and eating bake meats and vegetables. Also working out, whether it's just walking or running, lifting light, to moderate heavy weights.

There's enough information out there for lyme patients to reach remission. Sadly I think people are repeating history and just doing the same protocols over and over again with not much results.

Lot of great information on the web now, I'll probably be moving on with my life now, occasionally stop by from time to time, but I can't spend my entire time trying to convince lyme patients to try some of the protocols that worked for me. Hey, everyone has a different body chemistry, different strain of borrelia and babesia. What worked for me, may not work for you.

But I suspect the dormant form of Babesia in the liver could very much likely be why so many are staying sick. Imagine contracting Malaria and Lyme together, then Borrelia makes a protective layer over Babesia so pharmaceutical drugs are impenetrable.

I just hope the scientists and government officials that know this eventually reap what they sow, Dr. Lee and the lyme patients that are suing the CDC/IDSA for suppressing the science behind this chronic life threating disease need to be dealt with.

It's sad that corruption have reached to these heights within the Government of the United States. I suspect the lobbyism from big pharma and insurance companies is the cause of it. Along with CEOs of business taking political office in the US government.

And I sure hope after seeing the stock go down in Monsanto who merged with Bayer, the farmers and other workers who came down with cancer from Glyphosate take this corporation for all they're worth.

Sad thing is, I think there never will be a major win for human beings and this planet. I think it's possible for this planet and humans to heal themselves from the repercussions of glyphosate, GMOs, and all these chemicals. But at the rate we're traveling at, I think I have more faith in AI sorting out the corruption and greed within humanity.

Post Edited (Charlie55) : 3/22/2019 3:18:06 PM (GMT-6)

Hey, Charlie. It seems you've reached remission? I hope so. I've been away for a few weeks, so I'm behind on things. Anyway, I hope you're doing well.

Dude

The Dude Abides said...
Hey, Charlie. It seems you've reached remission? I hope so. I've been away for a few weeks, so I'm behind on things. Anyway, I hope you're doing well.

Dude

Possibly : )

I'll tell you this, you'll know when you feel it, hopefully if I have left over dorman borrelia, I'll just pulse some persister cell antibiotic and disulfiram once awhile to wake up and kill the dormant forms.

Also cannabis. Cannabis become 100% more effective after primaquine reached the dormant form of babesia in the liver... Now is this everyone elses problem with chronic lyme?

I'm not sure, Bartonella and other hard to treat coinfections may play a role.

I just wish the best for everyone, have a beer on me the Dude. Gotta keep laughing from crying in this corrupt greedy world. I'll never understand how human beings can put money over people's healths. Possibly because sociapaths/psychopaths always end up reaching the top level. A good documentary to watch is I am Fish Head.

Out of all the herbs I tried, Cannabis was the most effective for borrelia, but again, I suspect you have to treat a hard to treat pathogen like Babesia first. Then you can treat with herbs like Stevia to evaporate the biofilms, then maybe treat with something like Cats Claw and/or Teasel Root and/or Collidal Silver and/or one of the essential oils on the study John Hopkins persister cell.

I'll tell you this, after taking the two rounds of primaquine/coartem/stevia protocol, then following up with disulfiram to wake up some more dormant forms, then following up with primaquine/coartem/stevia, then following up with a stevia form of cannabis.

My brain has lifted and I've regained my full intelligence has reached to new heights, can you tell? lol

It's possible I may have to follow up with primaquine/coartem/stevia 6 months from now, maybe a year from no, whatever.

Cannabis should hopefull take care of the rest ; )

I highly recommend trying some of these drugs, again, disulfiram is what Dr. Kim Lewis claims will be an important drug for chronic lyme patients.

I'm sure I'll still have a little bit of treatment left over, remission is a little bit of misused word in the lyme community, but I guess it always did bring hope, I just was always scared it filled some doctors and herbalist pockets as well.

Either way, I suspect the dormant form of Babesia in the liver could be a serious problem for chronic. We'll see if that's the case as more studies come out, I just hope I'm right, if not, I guess I'm just another failed treatment that could be another "stepping stone" to curing this horrible disease.

And again, Satvia cannabis for neuro lyme and indica cannabis for athritic lyme. I suspect many lyme patients have both.

The sativa forms of cannabis I used were sativa dominant hybrids. Reminds you there's all sorts of cannabis plants: sativa dominant, sativa dominant indica, indica dominant hybrid, and indica dominant.

Problem with Indica is it makes you very sleapy, sativa on the other hand gives you a crap load of energy and the muchies. Sativa kind of scares me though, even though it gives you a ton of energy and clears up brain fog, it also makes you very very paranoid and brings on anxiety as you increase dosage. Best to take a 2-3 days break, even longer to let the sativa cannabis dissipate from your body. Remember herbs and plants on their own have a very strong half life.

I even herx 3 days afterwards after the sativa dominant hybrid I take. Smoking flowers will do just find, if you don't want to harm your lungs, try vaping, less hard on your longs.

But I had recently done bloodwork, liver enzymes and kidney are very healthy. I devote that too milk thistle and alpha lipoic acid over the years, but definitely cannabis in the later years. Sad this drug has been illegal all this time, I suspect it could of helped a lot of patients that have committed suicide over the years, whether you have lyme, cancer, aids, whatever.

Probably be smart to pulse a little sativa or essential oils with your cannabis to address biofilms, just a thought.

Again, gotta take breaks from even cannabis like antibiotics, it can build up in your system, as it does, anxiety and paranoia can set it, lol, some people end up in the hospital thinking their dieing, they are not, lol. However, still have to be careful proper dosaging and breaks is everything.

Again some of these coinfections like Babesia, may need a special drug though, I have no clue if cannabis will successfully treat Bartonella. Them darn 3 Bs....

Another problem with Satvia cannabis plants is it's hard to tell how high you are, how much of the plant you have in your system. Again, proper dosaging and taking breaks. Don't smoke the resin, lol...

And again, indica for borrelia that's build up in your joints, indica is highly notiable how much it builds up in your body. Most of the time it just knocks you out.

Ever wonder why Joe Rogan is so clear headed on his podcast, thinks deep and differently about things, like from a different perspective? The sativa cannabis plant!

I suspect rotating between indica and sativa plants would be good for treating chronic lyme, again, indica treating your body, then sativa treating the borrelia that travels to the brain. I also suspect sativa cannabis would be great for cancer patients with glioblastoma.

One thing I noticed is, after doing the primaquine and coartem protocol, my arms and legs were blowing up again when lifting weights, meaning the pump. So the Babesia was highly affecting my red blood cells.

Post Edited (Charlie55) : 3/22/2019 4:40:39 PM (GMT-6)

Well my friend, you can put all that behind you because mostly likely a cure on the horizon.

Do enough browsing on the internet you'll be able to find an online dispensary that carries primaquine and coartem.

Artenulate is another great drug, basically the pharmaceutical version of artemisia without the lumefantrine. Artenulate was also super effective in high dosages, then 1-2 break, then Primaquine. Oh, I almost forgot to mention this, I also took choloquine with primaquine. But I assume the magic is in Primaquine.

If anyone is under Dr. H and Dr. J's care, please relay this to them, so we can end this mess and all get on with our lives. ; ) I know Dr. H treats with Coartem, I haven't heard anything about these lyme literate doctors using primaquine, or even rotating them as a protoco. Maybe they have and I missed something...

The Dude Abides said...
Like you, I can't understand putting profits over people -- ESPECIALLY when said people are sick! I resigned from my job last January, due to that type of behavior. I'm still unemployed, in fact. The only thing I can figure is those people in control either don't care about others or they are so caught-up in their own lives that they're simply not paying attention. Perhaps it's some of both. Now that I think about it, it's also likely that some folks just have never had problems or had to struggle. Thus, they have no empathy or sympathy for others.

I suspect people are blinded by money and desensitized by it too.

The Dude Abides said...


I've always been one to want to help others, but I wasn't always the easiest person with whom to get along. I'd sometimes become impatient, frustrated, or not focused enough on the needs of others. If there's any silver lining to these several years of clouds, it's that I've become a lot more patient, aware, and kind. It was a hard way to learn the lessons, but I suppose that's what was required. Of course, I'm still a work-in-progress.

It's not easy hearing another person perspective on things, especially if they are wrong. Put Lyme Disease in the picture, it's very hard to have tolerance for other people with different ideologies, have plenty of friends and family members that have 100% faith in a chrony captialistic system. One day it would be nice to get back to being a republic on what our forefathers founded this country on, for the people by the people. Brillain men, I'm not a gun nut or anything, but I suspect they knew what they were doing when they put 2nd amendment in place, right to guns, right to a militia.

The Dude Abides said...


I'm truly delighted to hear you're doing so well.

Yeah well, hard to be happy with the state the country is in, along with people having their food poisoned with glyphosate and suffering from chronic disease.

The Dude Abides said...


I've not done a lot, over the past year or so. The last antibiotic I had was over three years ago. Even when I did take antibiotics, I only had a few rounds. And, they would have been considered an inadequate dose for an insufficient amount of time, as far as ILADS would be concerned. I didn't know that, until much later. One main issue continues to be uncertainty about whether "Lyme" (Borrelia Burgdorferi, specifically) is really the issue. As such, I've not accepted a proposed antibiotic regimen. It may well be Lyme, but I'm not completely sold on it.

Again, I suspect antibiotics aren't the key, antiparastic drugs like primaquine and tafenoquine are. Possibly along with disulfiram for waking up the deep dormant persister borrelia cells. The rest can be elimanted with cannabis, depending if you have neuro lyme or arthritic lyme.

I suspect this is why Flagyl got patients out of their wheel chairs a decade ago, it hit babesia and borrelia partially, but didn't address the babesia dormant form in the liver, so keeps coming back.

There's also studies done by Dr. Sapi that some of these antiparasitic are highly effective at dissolving biofilms, so it could be that 1-2-3 punch, hitting bacteria, babesia, and biofilms all at once. Just a theory!

The Dude Abides said...


I do, however, feel pretty certain that viruses are a big part of the problem, based on my IgG testing for several viruses. I'm waiting on my doctor to follow-up with me, based on some information I shared with him about using antivirals for my chronic fatigue. He's a week overdue in calling, though, which is frustrating. If you have any tips or advice on handling viruses, I'd certainly welcome the education. It's clear you've done waaaay more investigation and experimentation on viruses, bacteria, biofilms, pathogens, etc.

I tested positive for EBV and Parvo, so without a doubt in early stages. But if you take out the source of the problem holding the immune system back, it's most likely your immune system will take care of the viruses. Again, another theory of mine.

The Dude Abides said...


Hey, thanks for letting me know about the film "I Am Fishead." That's the funniest title. haha I'd never heard of it, but I just watched a short clip by Peter Coyote explaining it. I'm going to download it from YouTube and stream it to my TV either tonight or this weekend. I appreciate it!

Keep up the good work and forward progress! I'm wishing you a 110% recovery!

Best,
The Dude

Yep, it's an amazing documentary, I'd say I devote both documentaries and the internet to saving my life, it to may safe your life one day, believe me. I very much enjoyed Under Our Skin, Under Our Skin 2 Emergence, and Under the Eightball.

Have you seen the new Matthew McConaughey movie, we finally got our sequel to Lebowski mannnn! lol Cheers!

https://youtu.be/rugjeaqecfm

Man, oh, man...THE BEACH BUM! hahahahahaha That looks like a riot! I'd not heard of that one, either. Thanks for both of those recommendations. I used to really love movies. I still watch one every now and again, but I no longer get the enjoyment I used to get. It's anhedonia...lack of joy, among other things.

I really appreciate all the other information you shared, too, on the antiparasitics, cannabis, etc. I'm bookmarking this page, for sure, and saving it with my other most important archives. I need to read the entire thread again a couple of times, since things take a while to soak into my head, these days. Plus, I've been up since yesterday. So, I'm a bit delirious.

Based on what I've read in some of your posts, you must also be in the technology industry. You seem to be an analytical researcher type.

Were you infected/diagnosed as a kid or an adult? My most recent issues go back five years. But, my fatigue and sleep issues actually started 15 years ago. Other issues go back 30+ years to the military. Now, with hindsight, I can piece-together some (not all) of these things. As they were happening, I didn't realize these various events were (almost certainly) related. Now, it makes sense. I've forgotten what it's like to be "normal."

Cheerio,
Dude

Hey Charlie - good to hear you're doing well!

Are you off all treatments now?


"This explains why years ago borrelia on its own was so easy to treat." Was it? How far back are you talking?
I know it's not been easy for the past 10-15 years....


" Artenulate is another great drug, basically the pharmaceutical version of artemisia without the lumefantrine. Artenulate was also super effective in high dosages, then 1-2 break, then Primaquine. Oh, I almost forgot to mention this, I also took choloquine with primaquine. But I assume the magic is in Primaquine.

If anyone is under Dr. H and Dr. J's care, please relay this to them, so we can end this mess and all get on with our lives. ; ) I know Dr. H treats with Coartem, I haven't heard anything about these lyme literate doctors using primaquine, or even rotating them as a protoco. Maybe they have and I missed something..."

Do you mean Artesunate?

What about dihydroartemisinin - it's stronger than Artesunate.

No I don't think Dr. J uses primaquine. I don't know of anyone that has been prescribed it.

Girlie said...


Are you off all treatments now?

Just smoking cannabis, hopefully that's all need for the rest of treatment, I may followup with primaquine/coartem rotation 6 months from now, 1 year from now. Again, at times I did include daraprim/coartem and primaquine/chlorquine.

Had tried Clindamycin and Quinine a month before, did absolutely nothing for my strain of Babesia. Hence Yale study maybe https://news.yale.edu/2018/11/29/yale-scientists-develop-new-system-study-emerging-tickborne-disease

And by the way, 2 days was the first time I ended up in the hospital for a herx. So be careful treating borrelia after getting rid of babesia with primaquine, go slow.

Safe to say, never herxed like that in my entire life, woke up out of a deep sleep heart was beating out of my chest, felt like I was dieing.

They check my blood, perfectly fine. Herx, Anxiety, and Panic Attack. Well worth it for remission, just wish I would of treated in moderation.

So this is what everyone's talking about? lol Never experience this is in my entire life.

Dr. B is right, last herx is the worst. It felt as if fluid released in my abdomen and I had blown my liver, except my liver is on my right side, not my left.

I hope I don't go through that again, not fun, probably the absolute worst feeling in my life.

Girlie said...


Was it? How far back are you talking?
I know it's not been easy for the past 10-15 years....

That's a good point, how far considering being undiagnosed, probably like 10 1/2 years. 9 years of treatment. Babesia is a ***** to get rid of, if you don't I assume you'll never reach remission. Again I suspect the dormant form of the Babesia is the reason.

I remember hearing Joe Rogan says there's 2-5 year form of Malaria, a 10 year form of Malaria, and then 20 year form of Malaria.

I suspect some Doctors will be going away for a long time once tafenoquine hits the market, at least they should be. We'll see what happens.

Girlie said...


Do you mean Artesunate?

Yes

Girlie said...


What about dihydroartemisinin - it's stronger than Artesunate.

Never heard of it, I just went with the drugs I had access to.

Girlie said...


No I don't think Dr. J uses primaquine. I don't know of anyone that has been prescribed it.

Please relay it to him pronto and include coartem. Rotating these two in about 2 cycles. Herxing can be severe, so I'm not sure if some patients want to mix daraprim with coartem, 1-2 day break, then primaquine/chloroquine.

It's pretty well documented how much more primaquine is with chloroquine, again, the herxing you have to worry about though. You're treating everything at once, the biofilms, babesia, borrelia, and possibly other coinfecitons. Remind you Artmesia/Coartem/Artesunate were listed as persister cell killers on the John Hopkins study. This protocol is hitting everything, you have to include a biofilm buster though.

Those with Bartonella, may have to use something in between or after. After 2 rounds of that protocol follow up with disulfiram to wake up persister cells, then afterwards maybe dapsone or pyramazide...? I preferred sativa dominant hybrid strain of cannabis, took care of my brain fog, neuro symptoms, and gave me my energy back.

Again, was a lot worse treating the borrelia infection afterwards.

If you talk to him, be sure to tell him that there's those of us that think of him as a hero, even though the majority of Doctors and the Healthcare system doesn't. I think Dr. H along with the other Lyme Literate Doctors will get their reward eventually.

Post Edited (Charlie55) : 3/22/2019 6:46:06 PM (GMT-6)

Dude - I found it! Neil Nathan’s new book, Toxic, has an entire section on carbon monoxide poisoning. Something about our body can produce it when under stress. Fatigue was the first symptom. It can be connected to porphyria. Treatment is 100% oxygen through nasal canula. You may already know all this... Some me/cfs patients had improvements in small study.

k07 said...
Dude - I found it! Neil Nathan’s new book, Toxic, has an entire section on carbon monoxide poisoning. Something about our body can produce it when under stress. Fatigue was the first symptom. It can be connected to porphyria. Treatment is 100% oxygen through nasal canula. You may already know all this... Some me/cfs patients had improvements in small study.

Thank You! I appreciate your taking the time and trouble to provide the information. I am cutting-and-pasting this blurb into my Notepad file with a few other things I want to mention to him.

Stress, eh? Now, who among us has any stress?!?

No, I didn't know any of this, so I'm grateful for your help! I just did a quick scan of the symptoms, and, of course, they're some of the same ones that overlap with 50 other illnesses. But, maybe this will be a break in my case. I also have weird heart rhythms and that is one of the possible symptoms.

My hope is that, through all of this, perhaps I'll be lucky enough to find someone that can help me correct not only the issues from the past five years, but the past 30+ years, since my time in the military. It's been a slow, insidious layering of one thing atop another. It would be great to be a regular "Normal," rather than what my "Normal" was -- though that would be fine, too.

Thanks again!

Girlie said...


Charlie - interesting .... Since Dr. J prescribed the persisters protocol....I have been having herxes like I've never had before. I didn't even recognize it was a herx...I thought something else was going on. Almost went to the ER the first time.
Prior to this I have NEVER had a fever and rapid heart rate from treatment....

When I told Dr. J that I think I was reacting negatively to the Dapsone or Daraprim...he said "no...I believe you are herxing from the Rifabutin"

I DID NOT BELIEVE HIM. I had been on Rifampin for over a year...and never experienced anything like that. Yes, I know Rifampin isn't as 'strong'...but stilll thought it was the D and/or D.

Yeah, took me awhile to understand how bad a herx can be. I've had small ones before, never at the level after taking the coartem/primauine protocol.

It's too bad a lot of Doctors missed this protocol. It seems it's worked for most who have tried it, I think it's easy for posts to get buried on forums. Everyone's always posting. lol Again gotta use a biofilm buster and pair coartem up wtih daraprim or primaquine up with Chloroquine to absolute efficacy to destroy the dormant form of babesia in the liver.

Girlie said...


Well, my 'Maintenance protocol' is just Rifabutin, Ceftin, Minocycline....
I tried it out....and BAM - fever, high heart rate.

Sure sign that you're hitting the heart of the infection and all the coinfections and persister cells at once.

Girlie said...


Also, the reactions are getting slightly milder each round I do....again...that's in-line with a herx...as I get the bacterial load down...the herxing isn't as bad as the previous.

I suspect you'll have to rotate protocols. I did 2 cycles of the coartem/primaquine protocol, then disulfiram, then something like a big persister cell killer drug like dapsone or pyramazide, then follow up with CBD oil or cannabis to take care of the remaining infection.

You have to space out the protocols and take breaks.

Girlie said...


My first one end of August - was a doozie. Took me an entire week to recover from it. My whole body ached...my head hurt to touch...fever lasted something line 14 hours...same as high heart rate. It was brutal...

The last one will be a doozie, I don't even want to joke about it, Dr. B is right on just about everything, I just hope that's the last of the major herxing.

Probably pulse the remaining way like Dr. B suggested, maybe every 2-3 weeks, then every 3-6 months, so on and so on.

If I feel neurological problems, hit it up with sativa cannabis, arthritic problems, use indica.

But it seems like I'm herxing just about every time I use something antibacterial now, so it's probably taken most of the biofilm barrier down. I could be wrong...

Girlie said...
Charlie - Have you been treating with a well-known LLMD?
(if you're willing to share) - don't need to know which one....

No buying my pharmaceuticals illegally online, using milk thistle, alpha lipoic acid, and liver support from Walmart for detox of my liver and kidneys. Along with smoking cannabis to keep those organs healthy, I probably would recommend vaping instead. Also taking Garden of Live Probiotic Pill, Cottage Cheese, and carb smart Yogurt to replenish the good cultures in my microbiome system.

Girlie said...


Also, would you mind sharing how long you've been in treatment?

9 years, probably 1 year with first LLMD, then 2 years with the second LLMD, and 3-4 years with the 3rd LLMD, and the rest by myself.

Girlie said...


And finally, since you're in remission....would you like to start a new thread....and summarize your path to wellness?
(it can be brief)

I'd love to add it to our Success Stories thread.....

Strong word, lol, lets just say I'm drastically better, and can fully function now. Holding that health will still be a problem.

Oh man, I don't know, when I get a chance.

Post Edited (Charlie55) : 3/22/2019 7:26:16 PM (GMT-6)

Girlie said...


BUT, I won't be switching things up.... unless I regress/relapse.

Exactly, you could also follow up with CBD oil or some form of THC cannabis as you get the rest. Some of the LLMDs say it's similar to peeling back layers to an onion.

I suspects problems may lie in the fact that some may have the strain of babesia and that lies dormant in the liver like Malaria, you have to worry about babesia getting more resistant as time goes on with drugs, that's what bacteria and parasites do as time goes on.

When I took Dapsone, I felt cured for the first 2-3 weeks, then fatigue came back, Dapsone started losing it's effectiveness as time went on.

That's where primaquine or tafenoquine will take care the rest of the job, hopefully...

just reading this thread, and the discussion about epic herx had me questioning something that happened to me.

i treated daily all of 2018, first doin the standard lyme/babesia protocol (Mepron/Ceftin/Plaquenil/Biaxin/OoO/Monolaurin/NAC), then followed up with 7 months lyme/bartonella (Rifabutin/Mino/Azith/Stevia/Monolaurin/OoO/Biocidin/NAC/Allicin.) by december i was feeling good, close to normal. I never really herxed or herxed severely during this time. my remaining issues seemed to be other health issues.

however, i continued on with pulsing, a variation of the Dr SP standard (Tetra/Diflucan/ALinia/OoO/Monolaurin/Stevia/Allicin/NAC) protocol. was tolerating it pretty well. then in February, my whole family got the stomache flu, i was the last person to get it. it hit me the hardest, pretty much landed me in the hospital due to low BP, dehydration (vomitting/diarhea), 105.2 fever. i was on the protocol when this happened, so stopped. then took me two weeks to get back to normal. then when i started the protocol again, bam. increase in symptoms. which was really odd, given that i have done the protocol for 4 months prior and able to tolerate it.

CLearly there was activity here against the infections. but now i question if the whole thing was herx, just one that i never experienced before that viral activity or weakened immune system from the viral activity woke up persisters in some way?

Post Edited (sierraDon) : 3/22/2019 7:53:05 PM (GMT-6)

sierraDon said...

CLearly there was activity here against the infections. but now i question if the whole thing was herx, just one that i never experienced before that viral activity or weakened immune system from the viral activity woke up persisters in some way?

Very much possible.

Look here...

If you track back on the posts I've made on Healing Well, I started with my first persister cell protocol Dapsone and Doxy. Felt I was cured... Nope, relapsed. Then did that protocol 2-3 cycles afterward, eventually lost it's efficacy. Followed up with disulfiram, felt incredible herxing, but then eventually wore off, disulfiram eventually lost it's efficacy as well like Dapsone.

So I said myself, I'm missing something, took into consideration what the Yale study said about how most antiparasitic don't work on babesia.

Researched more on the internet, found out what drugs actually put most lyme/babesia patients in remission. Found a post on coartem/primaquine almost 10 years ago on Lyme Net, thought to myself I've never tried those drugs, took into consideration what pocco said about primaquine hitting the dormant forms of babesia in the liver like malaria.

Again, after 2 cycles of coartem/primaquine, then a few days of disulfiram, follow up with a persister cell killer like dapsone or Pyrazinamide or just do cannabis.

By the way, I still felt great after Dapsone, it's a year after I took disulfiram, that I thought I might of woken up a dormant form of babesia and even made my babesia worse. I'm like how am I going backwards, what the hell? See what's happening is disulfiram can wake up dormant forms of viruses, bacteria, and I suspect parasites too.

Scientists weren't kidding when a drug like this could kill AIDs. I suspect that dormant persister cells are the cause of most chronic disease. A drug like disulfiram brings them out of locations in the body that other pharmaceutical drugs can't reach, brings'em back to the veins and arteries I suspect where drugs can reach them.

Again, it's my suspicion you have to also treat the dormant form of babesia in the liver as well. Bartonella?

Anyways, yes it's very possible a virus could wake up dormant forms of bacteria, other viruses, and parasites like Babesia.

I think the key is Primaquine and Disulfiram, might not work for all patients though. Might have to include a specific Bartonella drug, like the one ILADs is promoting, but it's very much possible a lot of the antibacterial persister cell drugs and herbs like Coartem/Artesunate and maybe even cannabis can kill the remaining bartonella persister cells.

This is a very complex disease, I suspect Dr. Lewis knows of all this, but he might be underestimating biofilms and dormant forms of Babesia in the liver. Without a doubt he found the key to the borrelia infection though, waking up dormant borrelia cells with disulfiram. And he might not know of the effectiveness of cannabis on borrelia in general, especially since the sativa strains can treat the neuro form of lyme and indica can treat the form of borrelia that hide out in the joints.

And again, evidence that anitparasitics also dissolve biofilms through Dr. Sapi's study, such as Flagyl and Tindamax. It's possible a drugs like primaquine and tafenoquine are biofilm's kryptonite. Pair them up with stevia or an essential oil like oregano or clove or cinnamon bark... Bye bye Babesia and Borrelia, kiss your ass good bye!

I've also heard quinine can be effective with primaquine too, so you could do one cycle primaquine and chloroquine, then primaquine and quinine, to beat the really resistant babesia, of course rest between cycles.

Here's a study how effective these drugs are against parasites...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/pmc1479118/

Someone mentioned about nematodes on the lyme net forum, yes, those may be key too, maybe primaquine kills them off, then releases the bacteria in our brains and body, then follow up with an persister cell antibiotic or cannabis, then maybe disulfiram to wake up the dormant persister cells again, then maybe primaquine/coartem protocol again, then so on and so on.

Also a big warning when taking primaquine, there are some serious side effects if you have a certain gene, which can lead to acute liver injury.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29672516

Further disclaimer: anyone who takes primaquine is supposed to take a G6PD deficiency test, says the CDC. They are normal, you can get one at Quest for cheap.

You will have depressing thoughts too.

sebreg said...
I feel pretty close to getting this thing under control so I'm not 100% whether taking that stuff would be redundant at this point.

Man I've felt that so many times too, check some of my old posts, I thought I was in remission first taking dapsone + doxy + stevia. Then symptoms began piling on again. Then when I took disulfiram, I felt even worse, this is a drug that supposed to kill persister cells but also "wake up" dormant cells too.

Tough figuring all this stuff out man, piecing the puzzle together, hey, lol, everyone may have a different puzzle ya know...

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