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Posted 5/11/2019 11:51 AM (GMT 0)
Hey guys,

I was googling something this morning and this item came up in the list. It is titled “Avoiding Mold Archives.” It’s a 560 page pdf of Q&A’s about mold avoidance from 2013-2014. Posted by paradigmchange.me. Thought some might find it useful as a reference tool.

At least read the Q&A’s on pages 20-21, even if you don’t think you’re affected by mold.

https://paradigmchange.me/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/avoiding-mold-archives-book.pdf

Post Edited (WalkingbyFaith) : 5/11/2019 6:00:21 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 5/11/2019 1:08 PM (GMT 0)
In the link I posted on page 203, Erik Johnson, who was in the military and established mold avoidance criteria through his own studies and experiences with exposures says this about mold. This may very well be true and would easily explain the resistance on the part of mold remediators, doctors, government agencies, insurance companies, construction industry, and home and building owners to believe that mold (even in small amounts) and water damage on building substrates (even those that have dried out) can cause the severe sensitivity reactions and health implications that it does.

“Erik Johnson
Up until the early 1980's, mold could be removed with such ease and was such a non-issue that it was feasible to simply dry it out and paint over, and no harmful consequences were ever seen where this was done.

Then something changed.

In those places, this is a completely new paradigm, which closely approximates my training in biological warfare agents.”
Posted 5/19/2019 2:24 AM (GMT 0)
Interesting that on page 51 Dr. Blekenssopp (sp?) says avoidance has a 1 in a million chance of being effective. Page 58 Runyan suggests sleeping in your car in a parking lot or camping in a neighbor's yard to avoid mold? That's a little extreme...

Post Edited (jb1994) : 5/18/2019 8:27:30 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 5/19/2019 3:47 AM (GMT 0)

jb1994 said...
Interesting that on page 51 Dr. Blekenssopp (sp?) says avoidance has a 1 in a million chance of being effective. Page 58 Runyan suggests sleeping in your car in a parking lot or camping in a neighbor's yard to avoid mold? That's a little extreme...

The comment you referred to is by someone named Damien Blenkinsopp. Not a medical doctor. Not sure where you got “Dr.” from. The document is a collection of questions and answers by members of the paradigm change group. They are extreme mold avoiders.

If you go to the page after that and read the rest of Damien’s comments on the topic of “Will Mold Avoidance Work?”, he makes some very insightful observations and assumptions.

Yes, everything extreme mold avoiders do is extreme. That’s why most don’t do it. Those who have done it and succeeded at it have very keen instincts and ability to detect mold, mycotoxins, and other environmental toxins both indoors and outdoors. They know a lot by experience.

While Dr. Shoemaker approaches the subject from a strict series of scientific data collection based on lab markers, extreme mold avoiders approach it from both a scientific and experiential approach.

From what I gather from having read various pieces of their work, they are very different from us. While some of them do have Lyme, others do not. Many of them have ME/CFS and were severely debilitated and bedridden.
Posted 5/19/2019 1:44 PM (GMT 0)
Sandyfeet,

All great comments and personal observations here. I’m the same way. I can “feel” mold when I encounter it, which is pretty much everywhere. I have learned over the past 2.5 years how to judge what I “feel” to know if it’s a mild exposure that I can quickly recover from or if it’s a place I must avoid at all costs.

I’m sure it’s the most toxic molds like Stachybotrus (sp?) and Chaetomium that are the most dangerous for me. Water damaged buildings contain far more contaminants and inflammagens than just mold. Really, when we’re talking about mold, we’re talking about Water Damaged Buildings (WDB’s). Here’s an overview and definitions of the toxic stew found in WDB’s: https://www.survivingmold.com/mold-symptoms/molds-mycotoxins-more. For those affected, the goal is avoiding water damaged buildings not simply avoiding mold.

The extreme mold avoiders go beyond buildings, though. Some of them were initially sickened by outdoor biotoxins from other sources. There are several sources of outdoor toxins that I can name and probably many that have not been identified yet. Dinoflagellates (Red tide), cyanobacteria (blue-green algae), harmful algal blooms, coccidioides fungus (valley fever) are the ones I can name. Those like me with multi-susceptible HLA-DR haplotypes will be susceptible to any biotoxins.
Posted 5/20/2019 3:02 AM (GMT 0)
I assumed doctor because it was a book lol excuse me.

They also mentioned sleeping on a towel or a sleeping bag on the floor. Again this seems quite extreme. Well I'm on page 160 and don't find myself relating to much so thankfully I think I can safely say I don't suffer from mold. Looks like treatment/avoidance sucks butt.
Posted 5/20/2019 1:42 PM (GMT 0)

jb1994 said...
They also mentioned sleeping on a towel or a sleeping bag on the floor. Again this seems quite extreme.

My understanding of that is in relation to detoxing mold/mycotoxins. When mold sick people get clear (in a clean, non-moldy environment), they begin to unmask (the mold toxins start coming out). If the person is also detoxing with sauna, baths, exercise, sweating, etc, it will accelerate toxins coming out. If the person is able to detox effectively through their skin, the toxins will come out and get on their clothes and bedding and make them sick all over again. Having washable and/disposable clothing and bedding is obviously important in this regard.
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