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Posted 5/18/2019 2:28 PM (GMT 0)
Hi, newbie here (to this site, not to Lyme... ugh!) I have been diagnosed with chronic Lyme.... also babesia, erlichia, bartonella, RMSF, chronic fatigue syndrome, chronic inflammatory response syndrome.. etc etc etc on down the list...... my question is: I have been treating my lyme/etc with basically Dr. Rau's protocol (I bought his book and watched his videos) and am feeling better after several years of struggling... (despite the occasional cheating eating sugar/carbs. (I know I know)....) so, I am feeling better, and, aside from the pain in my feet (plantar fasciitis?), feel almost back to "normal"........ but I do a lot of gardening and find ticks on myself all the time. If I get bitten by a lyme tick again, do I need to worry about getting re-infected? Or is the case that once you have lyme, it's always in your system? Does one ever really *heal* from lyme disease? How worried should I be about re-infection? Thanks in advance for any help! ~Aeron in Northern Virginia
Posted 5/18/2019 3:29 PM (GMT 0)
You can be reinfected, you can also relapse. You should not find ticks on you at all, start using permethrin and DEET. There is pretreated clothing.
Posted 5/18/2019 5:35 PM (GMT 0)
Thank you; I don't use chemicals of any kind anymore. I do use peppermint and several all-natural sprays... but it is not always convenient to use them (if I'm not at home, etc)..... When I get a bite, I make the paste (andrographis, Cat's claw and green clay) that many practitioners recommend.
Posted 5/18/2019 6:31 PM (GMT 0)
Welcome to our forum AeronM

Yes you can get reinfected.
Your natural spray isn’t working - you should consider the Permethrin.

Also - I would treat all new tick bites with a few weeks of antibiotics. (ILADS)
Posted 5/18/2019 6:40 PM (GMT 0)
Thank you!.... and no thanks on the antibiotics. Dr. Rau says no, and I agree. I saw my two Lyme horses decline immediately when started on ABX. sad The most I would consider is 2 days of doxy IF I see a bullseye rash.... which I don't. Plus, if I'm bitten once a week... I would be on ABX for ever! I'm not destroying my gut bacteria for a "maybe"......! And no thanks on the dangerous chemicals (DEET/permethrin) which is toxic to humans and lots of other wildlife.... https://www.outdoorlife.com/blogs/survivalist/2012/04/toxic-truth-about-deet-and-peremethrin
Posted 5/18/2019 6:57 PM (GMT 0)
Well - you wouldn’t be getting continually infected if you used something more effective than the essential oils.

The Permethrin is safe - it is toxic to cats when wet - so you need to apply it to clothing away from cats.

No worries - it’s totally up to you - but keep in mind these infections are serious too - life changers .

Can you not bring your natural spray with you in the car?

I wouldn’t bother with the two days of doxy for an EM rash - not enough to do anything.
Posted 5/18/2019 7:38 PM (GMT 0)
Hi Sandyfeet, yes.. astragalus is on my list!.... Right now I'm trying to figure out how to take the Cat's Claw and Andrographis, which taste HORRIBLE!!!!!! I tried putting them in a smoothie... but had to throw it away it was so awful. Yes, I'm positive for Bartonella, and the foot pain started as that which is typical of that infection, but then morphed into plantar fasciitis after several months. It's now been a year I can't walk more than a few hundred yards, and that's with special insoles, special footwear, etc. Getting slowly better, but ruined my vacation last fall and this spring sad
Posted 5/19/2019 12:54 AM (GMT 0)
I would be very worried about reinfection. Having these infections doesn’t provide immunity like with chicken pox. Any tick that bites you could have any number of infectious diseases that it can transmit to you. There are many strains and species, as well. You could potentially be infected with additional strains you don’t already have. Besides that, since you are sick, your immune system is debilitated and wouldn’t be effective at taking out a host of new infections.
Posted 5/19/2019 12:04 PM (GMT 0)
WalkingByFaith, you are not making me feel better!!! sad I already have/had all the tick stuff (8 or more infections)... it's really not fair that one's immune system doesn't get better at resisting these things over time! My ankle is now a bit swollen, so I'm thinking now this is a spider bite, not tick... it doesn't itch, and it started stinging immediately, with the swelling starting right away, which is very typical of spider bite....... it's getting hard to tell all my bug bites apart!! :O
Posted 5/19/2019 1:16 PM (GMT 0)
Hi AeronM and welcome!

Good for you for following Dr. Rau's protocol (I am familiar with him because I used Dr. Jernigan's protocol who studied with Dr. Rau).

I have been healed for over 13 years now so yes, people do heal and stay healed (I know many and they didn't use antibiotics). As far as getting lyme twice I guess it's possible if your immune system is not strong. One year after I healed I found an attached tick but I didn't get sick (no symptoms whatsoever). I attribute that to my immune system which I worked hard to become strong by constant detoxing (dry skin brushing, detox baths, internal cleansing, coffee enema's, etc.). I still continue to take detox baths for many reasons as well as watching my diet and being aware of my stress levels.

Anyway, there is a product (I personally never used it and forgot about it until I saw your post) called Protective Shield Lotion which is all natural. I think I will order it for myself since I also enjoy being outdoors and gardening.

You can read about it below:

https://www.spectrumsupplements.com/supplement/protection-shield-lotion-4-fl-oz-bottle/

As far as always have lyme bacteria in one's body I believe the answer is yes based on my research. I listened to some podcasts in which Dr. David Jernigan was a guest on Lyme Light Radio (hosted by Katina Makris) and they both said they tested positive for lyme but did NOT have lyme "disease".

Hope this helps,
Denise
Posted 5/20/2019 12:14 AM (GMT 0)
Thank you, yes, that helps! I will check out the lotion. smile
Posted 5/20/2019 12:16 AM (GMT 0)
Darn... I can't use the lotion due to the parabens and silicone. Shucks!
Posted 5/22/2019 12:26 AM (GMT 0)
You are the first Lyme patient I've encountered who isn't very concerned about bites, most of us react to them like being stuck by a used syringe. Alpha-gal allergy is another risk, even if you remove them promptly.

If you want to stay organic, use a blend of coconut oil and sulphur powder on your skin, it is a potent insecticide (test a small area first). You can also spray a mix of sulphur powder and water on your clothing, being careful not to breathe any. This is rarely recommended these days because the odor is strong, and the smell will not wash off your skin for a few days - the clothing will permanently smell. You will be protected, however, and I urge you to do something that is effective.
Posted 5/26/2019 1:22 AM (GMT 0)
Ah well.... I decided long ago I wasn't going through life being scared of the "what ifs"... life is too short. I had cancer too......fully healed on my own, naturally........ I ain't skeered o' no ticks!!! smile
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