Joint pain

For all my pain I do Epsom salt baths with a few drops of lavender, helichrysum and marjoram essential oils.

saraeli- it was just from walking lol. I wish. The pain is gone but inflammation/swelling still there. Any advice? I'm trying to take it easy but we're going on vacation tomorrow and I hate to be laid up the whole time.

I'm just going with my mom who is a senior, she is fine with not going very far I just wish I could. I had gotten so far in progress with my walking and now I've set myself back and I'm kind of kicking myself (not literally as it would hurt my knees too much haha). Thank you all for the well wishes, we leave tomorrow!

In your quest to help the knee pain, just remember that it can be in the knee, or muscles/tendons outside the knee pulling on the joint, or both. Ive had both.

Poke around with "inquisitive" pressure around the muscles/ tendons following them away from the knee. If some areas are knotted or tender, that needs to be worked on.

As far as topical applications there are a few that do something, but I found they work better when driven in by DMSO.

Homeopathic analgesic Traumeel was pretty popular but the FDA sued them and is going after many Homeopathic companies due to their claims. FDA says nothing works unless THEY (the FDA) proves it LOL!!! So now the same stuff is available in T - Relief, comes in two types in cream and pills.

https://www.amazon.com/t-relief-pain-relief-cream-114g/dp/b0006mq47a?th=1 there is a red tube and green tube, almost the same though.

A 2oz tube retails for $9. Any more is a rip off. Retail places have this too.

Gets the same reviews as Penetrex which is $19 a 2 oz "jar", these brands are not the same though.

From what ive read Penetrex takes a few days to work. Maybe because it heals?
T-Relief is instant, but I have not used it long enough, nor read if it helps long term.
They both have Arnica in them which heals inflammation.

Post Edited (astroman) : 7/7/2019 9:41:13 AM (GMT-6)

jb,

I finally read this post. I wasn’t going to respond, because what I was thinking was different from what everyone else was saying.

I have knee issues and inflammation at times, too, and know about overdoing it with the walking. Sometimes it feels like I have inflammation in the tissue around my knees, although there is no visible swelling.

Aside from getting this after overdoing it, it has affected me the worst when herxing. I have had it so bad from herxing before that I could barely walk for months and that was after stopping the abx.

When I have a lot of toxins from herxing or mold exposure or both combined, that’s when I am physically weakened the most.

What was most helpful for me was taking strong anti-inflammatories. At the time, I took something called SPM Active from Metagenics in addition to curcumin and fish oil. Quercetin would be a good thing to try if you’re not already taking it.

Like someone else said about not doing any killing, I would back off on whatever killing methods you’re doing while on vacation until you get back to baseline.

Finally, if you have bartonella, it could likely be affecting the tendons. Japanese knotweed and houttuynia could help this or cause a herx - either way.

I found valproate not very effective for bart. Valproate plus minocycline worked better. I'm currently taking bactrim plus mino, which seems to be working quite well so far, but we'll see if the bart relapses like it has done before.

The Dude Abides said...
JB,

Speaking of curcumin, I recently listened to a podcast in which a doctor (M.D.) was discussing curcumin and he mentioned the following article:

The Dark Side of Curcumin
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/ijc.24967

The above article, in turn, led me to the following:

Curcumin Will Waste Your Time
https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2017/01/12/curcumin-will-waste-your-time

Cussed Curcumin
http://practicalfragments.blogspot.com/2017/01/cussed-curcumin.html

Just FYI, whether you choose to use curcumin again or not.

Dude

Dude, I always appreciate your posts as it allows me to broaden my knowledge base. You have cost me many hours of research and for that I thank you. As someone who reads a lot of scientific articles, I can tell you the first link you posted was not a good article accurately representing curcumin and the other two are just total crap. I won't dissect the first article but I will say it is biased. The second link is just junk and the third piece says "The reason, the researchers show, is that curcumin’s pharmacokinetics are lousy, with oral bioavailability of less than 1%. This is a very literal example of the cliché 'garbage in, garbage out.'" Atovaquone has similar bioavailability, is the author going to call it garbage as well? Drug companies do not want curcumin used, period!

I can't tell you how many people I have started on curcumin and as of yet, I have not had any negative responses. I've had patients who were on methotrexate injections get to the point where they didn't have to use the injections anymore. I've only had good feedback from everyone who has taken it. I'm not saying that something can't go wrong and it cause issues, but the good outweighs the bad by a lot. Keep the articles coming Dude!

The Dude Abides said...

You're very gracious, my friend, but I'm not sure if I'm helping or hurting! I don't have your background in general and organic chemistry, anatomy and physiology, molecular and cellular biology, microbiology, etc., so I don't understand all the details and/or whether an article is junk or not. Sometimes I do, but mostly not. I was relying on the doctor's knowledge and experience, though, of course, I realize doctors don't know everything and make mistakes, too. Anyway, I appreciate that you would take the time to read any of my posts and I'm especially grateful for your feedback.

I try to read all of your posts as well as several others that post some really challenging stuff. I ain't too proud to learn.

WalkingbyFaith said...
Georgia Hunter,

In regards to curcumin, I took Jarrow 95 capsules for about 2 years. When I started treating ropeworm and began sorting through my stool, I found 75% of the curcumin capsules undissolved in my stool day after day.

I figured I was wasting my time and money and stopped taking them. Symptom-wise I have noticed no difference in pain or inflammation. I do need more effective anti-inflammatories, though, as I found I am currently in high mold exposure and have no immediate options for avoidance without going the homeless street person route.

What would you suggest?

Several factors play a roll in the absorption of an oral product. The first is the dissolution or the breakdown (a capsule in this case) into smaller particles that can then be mobilized for absoprtion. Chewing does this with food and then the acid in the stomach assists it. For a tablet that is not chewed, we only have stomach acid. Two things could be in play in your situation, you either had lower levels of stomach acid or the compaction of the tablet/particles in capsule were too tight. I don't know which one or both came into play for you, but I would suspect low stomach acid. I don't know much about ropeworm but I do know that Nigella sativa is trouble for mold. Constant re-exposure would mean that most treatments will not be effective. The solution would be to stop exposure but that is often very difficult. It cost me about $7,000 as I got a brand new A/C unit and all new duct work on my house. I didn't see yeast in my blood samples after that.

WalkingbyFaith said...
Georgia Hunter,

What do you mean “nigella sativa is trouble for mold?”

I have some black seed oil and recently started putting a few drops in my herbal mixture.

The terpenes in black seeds are fungicidal. I prefer the seeds over the oil because they get stuck in the teeth and mucus in the throat. They also release the terpenes over a longer time period. Any fungus that comes into contact with those terpenes would have a difficult time surviving.

WalkingbyFaith said...

Georgia Hunter said...

The terpenes in black seeds are fungicidal. I prefer the seeds over the oil because they get stuck in the teeth and mucus in the throat. They also release the terpenes over a longer time period. Any fungus that comes into contact with those terpenes would have a difficult time surviving.

Nice. So it kills fungus. I have a hard time tolerating the strong Pine-Sol taste of 4 drops of tincture. Is the taste even stronger when chewing up seeds?

They taste pretty bad, like oregano.

sandyfeet said...
Thanks Georgia, I’ve sprinkled them raw on some foods too but never more than 1/2 tsp. So I’m guessing that’s approximately 1-3 tsp/day. I’ll try them again in oatmeal or on berries. I love nigella seeds!

You need to weigh them. I never had more than a tsp.