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Posted 9/3/2019 10:22 AM (GMT 0)
Just wondering - we noticed a few stretch mark like marks on my son's arms this morning. He's been treating triple abx + herbs since May (initially doxy + azithromycin + rifampin but switched doxy for minocycline a few weeks ago) this year for a positive diagnosis of borrelia and bartonella. Is it common for a bartonella rash to appear after this length of time? And is it a good sign (like I hope it is...)
Thanks
Posted 9/3/2019 11:41 AM (GMT 0)
Bartonella is very very difficult for some people to eradicate. Many of us here have been treating bart for many years. Every time I tried to stop abx treatment I have relapsed in 3 months. Have you tried adding in any of Buhner's herbs like Hout… in addition to abx? It helps some but not all.
Posted 9/3/2019 5:07 PM (GMT 0)
The streaks don’t correlate strongly with anything but the most I’ve seen reported is when people have been treating with heavy meds for a bit.

I had a family member get the streaks on her torso after 2 years of treating Bart specifically go figure.
Posted 9/3/2019 7:17 PM (GMT 0)
I did get a rash from bartonella herx, but if the rash appears 4 months later, that's a little worrisome, as it suggests that the prior treatment was not effective.
Posted 9/3/2019 7:26 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks for your thoughts everyone. I should add that I asked his girlfriend today when they showed up as I spotted them when he came out a shower while I was working from home. Go figure - she said they’d been there for months and were not new. Next time I’ll just check with her and not my son as he’s clearly clueless!
Posted 9/3/2019 8:00 PM (GMT 0)

Quin said...
I did get a rash from bartonella herx, but if the rash appears 4 months later, that's a little worrisome, as it suggests that the prior treatment was not effective.

i'm sorry quin but that's incorrect. bart is an intracellular pathogen that acts differently depending upon whether its under stress from things like the immune system, meds or something else. sometimes it'll let the red blood cell kill itself, sometimes it won't.

want everyone to be careful with drawing any correlations between streaks and anything else as the data just doesn't support a high correlation between the two.
Posted 9/3/2019 8:11 PM (GMT 0)
Do the Bart streaks always appear in the same spot? I’m currently treating with the Cowden protocol and noticed two little cat like starches in my arm. I noticed some on my hand when I first got sick as well.
What is the absolute best way to treat Bart? Maybe A-Bart?
Posted 9/3/2019 8:37 PM (GMT 0)

Quin said...
I did get a rash from bartonella herx, but if the rash appears 4 months later, that's a little worrisome, as it suggests that the prior treatment was not effective.

Quinn it can take longer (and from what I’ve read it usually does)than 4 months to treat bart.
As long as you still have a bart infection you can get the streaks.
Posted 9/3/2019 8:44 PM (GMT 0)

Rikky1 said...
i'm sorry quin but that's incorrect. bart is an intracellular pathogen that acts differently depending upon whether its under stress from things like the immune system, meds or something else. sometimes it'll let the red blood cell kill itself, sometimes it won't.

Oh I'm aware of that. Attacking bart with antibiotics that it was somewhat resistant to caused it to go after the red blood cells. This effect was pretty noticeable to me.

Girlie said...
Quinn it can take longer (and from what I’ve read it usually does)than 4 months to treat bart.
As long as you still have a bart infection you can get the streaks.

I know. I've been taking antibiotics for more than 4 months. However, once I found an antibiotic that bartonella was not resistant to, the herx happened pretty quickly. Most of the rash had gone away by 4 months of treatment. I still have scars from the stretch marks though.
Posted 9/3/2019 11:44 PM (GMT 0)
Is bone and joint pain also attributed to bartonella or other BLO ?
Posted 9/4/2019 2:10 AM (GMT 0)

insomniaaa said...
Is bone and joint pain also attributed to bartonella or other BLO ?

I had both - the joint pain is a common lyme symptom - but I wouldn’t be surprised if bart could cause it

Bone pain is one of my bart symptoms
I had tailbone pain for almost two years - and other bone pain has popped up here and there.
Posted 9/4/2019 9:29 AM (GMT 0)
I got the bart streaks after treating with herbs for over a year. Still not sure what it meant.
Posted 9/4/2019 5:56 PM (GMT 0)
After 9 months of minocycline, I am getting negative PCR tests for bartonella, my vitamin B6 has gone down to normal, I no longer have the characteristic foul odor, and I have not recently gotten any new stretch marks.

Bartonella is difficult to get rid of, but if you're still having symptoms after a year of treatment, whatever you're taking is not working.
Posted 9/4/2019 8:22 PM (GMT 0)
Quin : which bodily fluids are you getting PCR tested for bartonella if I may ask?
Posted 9/4/2019 9:03 PM (GMT 0)

Quin said...
After 9 months of minocycline, I am getting negative PCR tests for bartonella, my vitamin B6 has gone down to normal, I no longer have the characteristic foul odor, and I have not recently gotten any new stretch marks.

Bartonella is difficult to get rid of, but if you're still having symptoms after a year of treatment, whatever you're taking is not working.

You do know that negative PCR tests can be false, right? The sample may not have any in it...
...and I'm thinking even more harder to detect as treatment progresses...and less bacteria in the urine or blood.

But, if you're feeling well...symptoms gone....then you can celebrate!!!
Posted 9/4/2019 9:38 PM (GMT 0)

insomniaaa said...
Quin : which bodily fluids are you getting PCR tested for bartonella if I may ask?

Urine. https://dnaconnexions.com/product/lyme-panel/

The vitamin B6 test is a blood test. https://requestatest.com/vitamin-b6-blood-level-test
Posted 9/5/2019 10:01 PM (GMT 0)
Does the Bart rash correlate with an active infection?
Posted 9/5/2019 10:17 PM (GMT 0)

MA10 said...
Does the Bart rash correlate with an active infection?

I don’t know the medical answer, but I would think so. What else would cause the streaks or stretch marks to appear? There could be other medical causes, but if you knew you had bartonella to begin with why would you expect it to be caused by something unrelated?
Posted 9/5/2019 10:19 PM (GMT 0)

Rikky1 said...

want everyone to be careful with drawing any correlations between streaks and anything else as the data just doesn't support a high correlation between the two.

What are saying? I don’t understand what you mean.
Posted 9/5/2019 11:22 PM (GMT 0)
Walkingbyfaith, that’s kind of what I am afraid of. My ND does bioresonance scanning, and he hasn’t found Bartonella since last year sometime. But I just noticed a new Bart mark this week. sad
I thought that infection was taken care of. Sigh.
Posted 9/5/2019 11:45 PM (GMT 0)
How are you feeling MA? Are there any new Bart treatments in the works? I did nine months of antibiotics and felt good the last two months on them but as soon as I got off them I had a flare. I’m now doing nine full months of Cowden protocol. I have no idea what I’ll try is this doesn’t knock it out. Praying for us all.
Posted 9/6/2019 1:29 AM (GMT 0)
Heartsinpain, we think babesia is the prominent one right now. Night sweats, crazy anxiety, fatigue, brain fog, nightmares, headaches, muscle pain to name a few. It’s been so long since I’ve dealt with Bart that I don’t remember what those symptoms are. I have had some shin pain but only when I cheat on my diet. So there aren’t any Bart protocols in sight. Because we’re focusing on babs right now. I’m about to start Byron white a-babs. But suppose I could do a-Bart at the same time. It’s discouraging.
Posted 9/6/2019 1:34 AM (GMT 0)
So sorry you’re dealing with so much MA10. Take things one day at a time and keep pushing forward!
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