Armin Labs for US Patients

I’m not sure about armin. My husband and daughters are positive on their lyme test yet no symptoms. This was 4 years ago.

The iSpot test WAS available from Nueroscience (makers of popular Kavinace) up until a couple years ago. It had a testing lab that went belly up (legal issues) called Parmesan labs, both were in Wisconsin USA.

I did the iSpot from Parmesan labs.

HOW IT WORKS: If your immune cells are shot (low T cells), this test could not be completed since it somehow measures T cell reaction (with a dye) to lyme bacteria in a petri dish (or similar), the test result would have mentioned this too, as they no it wont alway work with chronic lyme. Some long term lymies have low T cells (and low CD57 cell group). Its not about antibodioes.

Their iSpot was very popular in the US mid central states until 2017, when it became unavailable.

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/d722/5f9f46787c219079f46ce63de2d0d77a66ed.pdf

https://www.neuroscienceinc.com/

**Parmesan marketed this test like they invented it**, which was confusing since that Germany lab started selling the same thing. I wonder how similar they are, and who actually invented this test. Names are trademarked so how did they have the same name unless they were working together on this same test?

Lymie24 said...
https://www.arminlabs.com/en/tests/elispot

Basically it tests T-lymphocytes, which supposedly change during an active infection, instead on antibodies because antibodies can linger in the blood for years. T-lymphocytes should change when the infection is no longer active.

yes, and thats why with chronic lyme, If your T's are to low, this test wont work.

Lyme can lower T cells permanently, thus sometimes permanent low cd57 in people who feel cured, (no more symptoms).

No lyme test is fool proof, not even this one.

Girlie said : "interestingly I seldom seen one of these tests show negatives across the board for borrelia, bartonella, babesia.
It seems to be pretty consistent.

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My knowledge is from the iSpot lyme test from Parmesan labs, They only did it for lyme. A test not complete-able from low T cells was neither negative or positive. But they did mention lyme can lower T cells in the report if there were not enough T cells to complete the test.

The north central LLMDS who used this test knew this and stopped using the test for suspected long term lymies, since it would not work on some individuals. I attended a presentation by a lab rep of Parmesan about five years ago.

Maybe the Igenix and German lab iSpot tests are actually a little different?. Again, its funny they have the same brand name: iSpot.