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Posted 9/23/2019 2:45 PM (GMT 0)
Found some research comparing the ability of plant powders to bind to bile acids (mycotoxins are in the bile acids) relative to CSM

Okra was the best performer. Got a bottle off Amazon (Solaray) and this stuff works! I am using CSM on some days and then other days okra and chlorophyll. I am making progress with the mold situation definitely.

If you can't use CSM try okra, this really does work.

https://pubag.nal.usda.gov/pubag/downloadpdf.xhtml?id=671&content=pdf

In vitro binding of bile acids by okra, beets, asparagus, eggplant, turnips, green beans, carrots, and cauliflower
Posted 9/23/2019 4:48 PM (GMT 0)
Which Okra supplement did you get?

I'll give it a try.
Posted 9/23/2019 5:03 PM (GMT 0)
Yeah, know Okra from dr. Heyman. Please, Lapis_29, you follow full dr. Heyman protocol? Like lipides treatment before general treatment?
This video have amazing informations: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dPNjLhe2OY
Posted 9/23/2019 5:59 PM (GMT 0)

Garion said...
Which Okra supplement did you get?

I'll give it a try.

Solaray

you may need to take a lot of capsules to have a good effect though. There is also the pure okar powder here. Much better bang for the buck

https://www.afrofood.com/shop-by/dried-okra-powder/
Posted 9/23/2019 6:03 PM (GMT 0)

MartinK said...
Yeah, know Okra from dr. Heyman. Please, Lapis_29, you follow full dr. Heyman protocol? Like lipides treatment before general treatment?
This video have amazing informations: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dPNjLhe2OY

Yes, he is the only one who recommends it just about.

I am watching his series on youtube right now so I am new to him.
Posted 9/23/2019 6:36 PM (GMT 0)
Lapis_29: oh thanks a lot...hope I find some Okra products here in Europe and EU countries because shipping and high duties...

Yeah, series on YT are sooo good!

Check this, here is full stuff from YT on PDF: http://www.a4mthailand.com/uploads/5/6/5/2/56520555/biotoxins_and_chronic.pdf
Posted 9/24/2019 1:45 AM (GMT 0)
What about actually eating the food - okra and/or beets? In the study, as food, beets was better than okra, but they were raw. No information on the effects of cooking.
Posted 9/24/2019 3:25 AM (GMT 0)
Beets you have to avoid too much nitrates according to my llmd
Posted 9/24/2019 3:47 AM (GMT 0)

WalkingbyFaith said...
What about actually eating the food - okra and/or beets? In the study, as food, beets was better than okra, but they were raw. No information on the effects of cooking.

No the beets in the study were the pure fiber. So if you can find pure beet fiber that would be better than okra. As for eating the whole food - I don't know. The study used the powder of the food, so we know that works. The whole food may or may not work as well.
Posted 9/24/2019 12:22 PM (GMT 0)
Have you gotten any Herx effects from the okra? Or is helping without a Herx? I Herx badly on anything that works.

Thanks in advance for your response.

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Posted 9/24/2019 1:40 PM (GMT 0)
I have just started and not gotten a herx

But then again I don't herx on binder generally speaking
Posted 9/24/2019 7:57 PM (GMT 0)

Lapis_29 said...

Got a bottle off Amazon (Solaray) and this stuff works! I am using CSM on some days and then other days okra and chlorophyll. I am making progress with the mold situation definitely.

If you can't use CSM try okra, this really does work.

Lapis,

In what way are you making progress with the mold situation? How can you tell it works?

And how much of the Soloray caps do you take? At night or before meals?

Not trying to be argumentative, just trying to understand how you know it’s working for you. I did the chlorophyllin brand at 10 capsules for a while and couldn’t tell a thing with it. No improvement. No herxing.

The only binders that had a noticeable effect on me was CSM, which nearly killed me, and Zeobind, which made me feel better for about 2 weeks and then stopped making me feel better. I’m still taking it daily, though, and have my mom on it, too.
Posted 9/25/2019 1:24 AM (GMT 0)
I mean that I feel less "mold sick" and also when exposed to mold I don't have a total whole body freak out like normal.

I am also doing CSM, but its so constipating I can only do it maybe twice a week, then other days I do the okra and chlorophyl.

Rotting leaves in the fall are usually my kryptonite, they make me SO INCREDIBLY MOLD sick, its not even funny. So far I am reacting to them much less. Still react for sure, but less.

Also I am nebulizing propolis and that is helping my lungs for sure.

how much CSM did you do when you did it?
Posted 9/25/2019 1:30 AM (GMT 0)
oh and I take about 10 - 15 solaray caps/day, first thing am before eating anything.
Posted 9/25/2019 3:40 AM (GMT 0)
Thx, Lapis.

When I took CSM, I was on the regular stuff, 9 gram scoop. I took it for 11 days. I was told to start with 1/4 dose 1x day at a time and work my way up to a full scoop 4x day. This was all in the very beginning before I knew anything about anything. I was green.

I ramped up way too fast and was at about 2/3 - 3/4 scoop 4x day by the 11th day. The herxing got worse each day, but I was uninitiated to herxing. The burning pain and chemical and EMF sensitivities got worse each day. By the last night, I was falling down in the hallway from loss of balance and had the worst full body tremors I had ever had.

Towards the end, I noticed that I felt better the first hour or two after taking it, but it would wear off after about 3 hours. It was about 4 hours between doses, and I would get anxious waiting for the next dose.

If I do it again after getting in a clean environment, I will go much lower and slower with the dosing to start and stop at the first sign of a cytokine storm. The way Shoemaker orders it (the way I took it), it created a sort of avalanche affect with toxins mobilizing. Painful and scary.
Posted 9/25/2019 3:53 AM (GMT 0)
How does mold affect you, Lapis? What symptoms do you get with exposure?

Molds on bread or produce sitting on the counter will cause me to have pain in my muscles, especially upper arms, maybe pains in my face, head, mood swings and rage.

In buildings, I can get all that, too, but usually I get burning face, scalp, lips, tongue or gums. Also I get numbness in face, sometimes lower legs with a tingly feeling. Maybe itchy face or eyelids. Back home, I used to get a weird little itch in the exact same spot on my chin every night when I went to bed.

Before I got out of exposure the first time, I had a lot of loss of balance, feeling my body sway when standing still, tremors, waking up many times in the night, dying in my sleep and gasping for air, extreme dry mouth and eyes, joint stiffness from head to toe, muscle pain and spasms, much more.
Posted 9/25/2019 3:02 PM (GMT 0)
mold exposure will also cause me joint aches, and a feeling of overall sickness and fatigue, and just feeling super awful. Also poor sleep and/or insomnia, lung inflammation, sleep apnea, etc

Read Nathan's book 'Toxic', here is it for free

https://books.google.com/books?id=yrdxdwaaqbaj&printsec=frontcover&dq=neil+nathan+toxic&hl=en&sa=x&ved=2ahukewjmvupwxnxkahwulp4khdd1afqq6wewahoecauqaq&fbclid=iwar35ewjymmvt9kf_gsdecep5m667gaxpv2vl-i4sph0lri9bd_vznc97-no#v=onepage&q=neil%20nathan%20toxic&f=false

In chapter 3 he says he has had patients recover completely using just 1 / 16th teaspoon CSM every third day and half tab chlorella every other day. It takes longer but its still possible. You don't have to do the crazy high doses that the Shoemaker Docs say. Nathan trained under Shoemaker but has expanded and perfected the protocol. Take however much CSM you feel comfortable with, thats all. Dont force yourself to take large amounts.
Posted 9/26/2019 12:41 AM (GMT 0)
Lapis,

Thx so much for this information. I will probably try this soon. I’m suffering from pill fatigue at the moment and have been skipping a bunch of supplements for the past few days, as I can’t bring myself to keep stuffing handfuls of capsules into my intestines😣
Posted 3/9/2021 1:39 AM (GMT 0)
Lapis,

Do you still find okra powder helpful for mold toxins? I still haven’t tried it but was looking into it again today.

The Afro Food is no longer available. Solaray capsules are but at 10-15 capsules per day, one bottle will only last 6-10 days. Bulk Supplements has a bag, but there’s a critical review saying they overheated it during the processing. Are you still taking Solaray or some other brand?

I am presently taking Mediclay bentonite clay (1-2 capsules in the night) and 10-15 chlorella capsules once in a while. I am getting worse from ongoing exposure again and too broke to do anything about it.
Posted 5/30/2021 4:35 PM (GMT 0)
Have you all had success with the okra? Do any other binders need to be taken with the okra?
Posted 5/30/2021 10:16 PM (GMT 0)

Lapis_29 said...
I mean that I feel less "mold sick" and also when exposed to mold I don't have a total whole body freak out like normal.

I am also doing CSM, but its so constipating I can only do it maybe twice a week, then other days I do the okra and chlorophyl.

Rotting leaves in the fall are usually my kryptonite, they make me SO INCREDIBLY MOLD sick, its not even funny. So far I am reacting to them much less. Still react for sure, but less.

Also I am nebulizing propolis and that is helping my lungs for sure.

how much CSM did you do when you did it?

That's great that kts working, I'm going to try it, I eat okra all the time bt not fresh as I'm allergic to all fruits and vegetables so I need to cook it. Not sure it has any effect when cooked. Need a prescription for CSM isnt TUDCA the same thing or???
Posted 5/17/2022 5:35 AM (GMT 0)
Mycotoxin binder is composed of montmorillonite, organic montmorillonite, organic polysaccharide montmorillonite, yeast extract, bacillus subtilis, mannan oligosaccharides, and plant (herb) extract.

Eliminates toxicity of mycotoxins and suppresses pathogens in animal feeds.

Supports optimal function of the immune, reproductive and digestion systems of animals under commercial conditions.
https://www.arshinefeed.com/Other-products/mycotoxin-binder
Protects animals from being harmed by mycotoxins to organs such as GIT, liver, kidney and others. Improves gut health and avoids diarrhea.

Improves animal fertility and productive performance.
Posted 9/19/2022 7:37 PM (GMT 0)
Hi, I just joined the community. Can I please get an update from anyone who has tried an okra supplement for treating their mycotoxins? I am interested in trying the okra supplement, but would like to know if you all saw any benefits and did anyone heal from the mycotoxin exposure they had? Thanks.
Posted 9/19/2022 7:55 PM (GMT 0)
Welcome to the HealingWell EdwardDean! I don't have an answer but I'm sure someone will chime in soon!
Posted 9/19/2022 9:10 PM (GMT 0)
Thank you. smile
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