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Posted 3/1/2020 7:16 AM (GMT 0)
Has anyone tried Mesenchymal stem cell therapy in Panama?

I would really like to try this, but it's obsurdley expensive. I'd need to win the lottery to have this treatment.

Just curious if anyone else has had this procedure.

I learned about it from Joe Rogan and Mel Gibson video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtL1fEEtLaA

I think I had a minor heart attack awhile ago, and ever since them my hands and feet are swollen and filled with blood and painful. It's hard to do manual work with my hands because of this. I was thinking about having an echocardiogram performed to see if my heart is alright, but I'm sure it will turn up nothing. I hate to waste 1k just to have it turn up nothing. I know there's something wrong with my heart, but I'm not sure what it is.

The Mesenchymal stem cell therapy supposidely is effective in treating heart failure. If I had the money, I'd fly down tomorrow and give it a shot. Unfortunately, I'm too poor to do it.
Posted 3/1/2020 2:19 PM (GMT 0)
What does it cost?
Posted 3/1/2020 4:28 PM (GMT 0)
It's 23k for one treatment. Or something around that price.

It sounds a little nutz-o, but I'm a big do-it-yourself-er. For that amount of money, you could probably buy all the equipment, contact a midwife, ask him/her if the patient would provide the cord, pay him/her a fee, run it through a centrifuge, isolate the cells, grow them in a petri dish (you'd need an incubator machine which can be found from medical supply stores for a couple grand) and inject them yourself. I know it sounds nutz-o, but I think you need multiple treatments per year to get this therapy to be effective. I don't have bazillions of dollars, so I couldn't afford that. But if you took that 23k, made the setup in your home, then you would be good to perpetually inject yourself for perpetuity. You would need to be really brave to do something like that, but I think that's the only way you'd be able to get consistent results.

As crazy as this sounds, I have thought about doing this quite a bit. I think if I were to do this, I'd go down to Panama and get injected professionally and see if it is even effective. Then, if it seems to have positive results for my condition, then consider investing the money for this set up. I'd be in it for around 50k by that point, which is a lot for me. But if you could achieve your health through this process, it might be worth it. Ozzy Osbourne's daughter got better doing stem cells. I think she may need them on a continual basis. Not sure 100% sure though.
Posted 3/1/2020 4:35 PM (GMT 0)
One thing is I think you need to avoid freezing the cells. That can destroy them.
Posted 3/1/2020 4:38 PM (GMT 0)
Here's another video about it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9O3Lyz8qw0
Posted 3/1/2020 4:46 PM (GMT 0)
And you'd probably need to test it on a mammal before you self-injected. Just to make sure it works correctly.
Posted 3/1/2020 5:12 PM (GMT 0)
Gfields have you looked into Exosomes?

Saw a talk by a dr ad Johns Hopkins.

He was basically saying if all the stem cell approaches he felt Exosomes is most effective for AI issues. Don’t think he was into the Mesenchymal stem cells kinda glossed over it. Felt hematopoietic are good too but obviously very very invasive and no one would do it for lyme.


I haven’t looked into this much tho. Why Mesenchymal stem cells? Also, do you think they’re effective against traditional ai issues like RA?
Posted 3/1/2020 5:27 PM (GMT 0)
Sorry, not familiar with what ai and ra refer to.

I guess the mesenchymal stem cells are cells that kind of live on your capillaries. They're all over your body, and they produce some sort of chemicals that the body uses to heal itself. They're not actually "stem cells" and Riordan has said many times that he regrets calling them stem cells, because that's not really what they are. He said he wanted to keep the acronym MSC and change the name to medicinal something cells. I forget what the s word was. I can look it up. But they're essentially these cells that provide healing properties. He explains that when we're young are bodies are ripe with capillaries. That's why children's skin is so soft. They have bazillions of capillaries all throughout their body, and on each capillary they have lots of these MSC cells. He explains that if a child breaks a bone, it heals incredibly quickly due to the amount of MSCs they have available to fix them. But as we age we lose our capilliaries and we therefore have less and less MSCs. Therefore it takes the body much longer to heal itself. That's why old people get wrinkles. They don't have the capilliaries like they once did. So, he's taking these really healthy MSC cells from the umbilical cord (which is disposed of anyway) and isolating the MSCs from the umbilical, and injecting these into unhealthy older folks. This rejuvinates the body with new MSCs and increases the body's ability to heal itself.

That's my summary of what's kind of going on here. Rioridan has been at this for many years. He has lots of interesting theories about novel ways to cure disease. Things that lots of other doctors and researchers haven't even thought about. Including cancer. He describes cancer as being essentially a wound that won't heal.
Posted 3/1/2020 5:35 PM (GMT 0)
I'm not really doing him justice by this description. If you watch his videos you'll get a much better sense of what's going on there. I bought his book, and I've only read maybe 1/4 of it, but it's very interesting.

He is thinking about curing disease. Unfortunatly, researchers, with their unending river of money, aren't coming up with novel ways to CURE disease. They're not really doing anything. There should be cures, but there are none. Rioridan is actually finding cures for disease by thinking differently about what disease are.

These MSCs produce "juices" that the body needs to cure itself. I don't think he knows all of the chemical/biological processes that are going on within these cells, but he knows that they work to cure a huge spectrem of diseases. We have these cells everywhere in our bodies naturally, but the get depleted over time. The good thing about these cells is that they don't get rejected by our bodies. If you have Type B blood you need a donor to be Type B to receive blood. These cells aren't body type specific, so there is no rejection by the body.
Posted 3/2/2020 12:33 AM (GMT 0)
I thought they froze the mscs
Posted 3/2/2020 3:19 AM (GMT 0)
Do they? I thought I read somewhere that it's better to not freeze them. I thought freezing them kills them. I could be mistaken.
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