Gallbladder and Liver Supplements

Hi Saraeli: When I was on disulfiram I took a brand of TUDCA called 'doublewood' that I got from Amazon. I believe it helped me get my ALT and AST numbers down.

Another thing I've been doing every morning (before I consume anything else) is to drink a glass of water with the juice of one lemon and about 1-2 tbsp of apple cider vinegar. I don't have any known liver/gallbladder issues but I've been continuing to do this anyway.

Someone posted the details of a liver cleanse here about a year ago that sounded quite intense. I think it might have been user 'Deejavu'. I'll see if I can find it...

I just finished a bottle of Nutricost and ordered another as it’s much cheaper. I’m not really sure how it compares to MF. I have had increased numbness and burning since switching, but I can’t say for sure it has anything to do with the brand.

The first two months I took MF, it was a complete game changer. Then I had another flare of symptoms for a few weeks and then improved again and then got worse again. I moved on June 10th, and of course, I am being exposed to mold again. Haven’t had additional remediation yet.

So from late April on, I had a return of a lot of symptoms that had improved due to mold again.

Honestly, it seems when I find something that seems to help, it only goes so far, and then I plateau again. I wondered if I should take a higher dosage. I did take 2 capsules at times, but I couldn’t really tell if I felt better, worse, or no different.

MF website says in the FAQ somewhere that the melatonin isn’t enough to cause drowsiness. I know we’re all different, though. If you want to try the MF supplement, find out what there refund policy is.

Real Food Rebel details her bowel cleanse here:

http://realfoodrebel.com/start-with-a-bowel-cleanse/

WalkingbyFaith said...
I just finished a bottle of Nutricost and ordered another as it’s much cheaper. I’m not really sure how it compares to MF. I have had increased numbness and burning since switching, but I can’t say for sure it has anything to do with the brand.

The first two months I took MF, it was a complete game changer. Then I had another flare of symptoms for a few weeks and then improved again and then got worse again. I moved on June 10th, and of course, I am being exposed to mold again. Haven’t had additional remediation yet.

So from late April on, I had a return of a lot of symptoms that had improved due to mold again.

Honestly, it seems when I find something that seems to help, it only goes so far, and then I plateau again. I wondered if I should take a higher dosage. I did take 2 capsules at times, but I couldn’t really tell if I felt better, worse, or no different.

MF website says in the FAQ somewhere that the melatonin isn’t enough to cause drowsiness. I know we’re all different, though. If you want to try the MF supplement, find out what there refund policy is.

. For those who don't know I've read.TUDCA is used for gallbladder bt also as a detox to remove mold frm the body. I bought it because I suffer from mold toxins and numbness can happen beleive it's mold.die off tudca is also essential to remove lyme bart etc toxins out of body I read

Hi saraeli,

I have done the liver/gallbladder cleanses a few times not because I had/have any issues but to get rid of toxins and take advantage of all the benefits of this cleanse. I use the recipe below by Hulda Clark (it was easier after the first time because I knew what to expect):

http://www.healingcancernaturally.com/liver-gall-bladder-cleanse.html

There are different phases so if you want to read the entire cleanse click on Phase V.

Hope this helps,
Denise

saraeli said...
For those who have used the Microbe Formulas brand TUDCA Plus, do you find that the melatonin in it makes you sleepy? For trouble sleeping, a tiny dose of 0.5 mg knocks me right out, so I cannot imagine taking a normal-person dose!

And for anyone who has used any brand TUDCA, do you think that the reason it seems to give people more energy is the taurine in it? Does taurine work like a stimulant, meaning it makes you feel good but depletes your adrenal system and leaves you feeling worse later?

Sara,

I was already on .5 mg melatonin when I started TUDCA, and I don’t recall noticing any changes in sleep from it. I don’t recall melatonin even helping much with sleep when I started it.

I don’t know anything about taurine, but I didn’t have any effects like what you were asking about. I just felt better overall and the burning, numbness, chemical sensitivities, and joint stiffness all improved or disappeared for a while.

I thought chanca piedra was for kidney stones, which are made of different components than gallstones. I did see that it is an ingredient in the Pulverexx gallstone treatment product, so I was curious if it had the ability to help.

I found a friend with the Microbe Formulas TUDCA Plus, and she's going to give me a single pill to try, so I can see how it affects me.

Thanks for the discussion, everyone. Keep the ideas coming!

My doctor (PCP) has proven herself completely useless. I thought that for once mainstream medicine could at least diagnose me - textbook symptoms of a very common ailment with a non-invasive diagnostic test - seems so easy! But I guess it doesn't matter, since I'm not interested in surgical gallbladder removal during a pandemic unless I have tried all the other (non-mainstream) treatments.

Interesting, I am having similar problems to yours lately and also similar suspicions.

I did once the liver and gallbladder flush (with epsom salt, grapefruit and olive oil). I don't know what to think, it is certainly invasive. I am not sure it's safe, for someone who is not stable health wise. It felt like it was messing with the microbiome, I don't know. You do end up expelling a lot of what looks like gallstones. I guess only an ultrasound prior and post the cleanse could tell. I read extensively on internet about it, there are many testimonies of people saving their gallbladder this way. There are also those who claim that the stuff that is expelled is really just that olive oil mixed with bile.
That said, once I was through with it, I was certain I would never do it again, it is very uncomfortable, you get nauseated etc, but here I am toying with the idea again.

After the cleanse I did feel lighter, better (but my general health was at such a low point at the time that this didn't make such significant difference) but I also felt that it wiped out my microbiota, although I felt this way after an enema too, so it just may be my subjective impression.

Dr Berg on Youtube has some helpful videos on the stomac-gallbladder-pancreas issues and how to deal with them.

I never looked into TUDCA, will do now. Also I have no idea what brand to consider, as I am aware amazon reviews can be misleading.

A few days ago I realized my recurring diarrhea could be due to xanthan gum in the bread. A while ago I started making my own gluten-free sourdough bread, and eating more of it than I would if it was store bought, but I am fairly certain now that I react badly to xanthan gum. It is a "largely indigestible polysaccharide" as Chris Kresser says. Just thought I'd mention this, although if you've been gluten free for so long you are probably familiar with this. I didn't like the stuff since I saw it, it's just so processed and I have always been very sensitive to foods, no wonder I am reacting. I should just go back to an occasional "polystyrene" rice cracker ;)

Here is a short interesting article on potential complications from xanthan gum https://www.celiac.com/articles.html/could-xanthan-gum-sensitivity-be-complicating-your-celiac-disease-recovery-r1360/

i did one of these flushes last night for niggling issues around the gall bladder and liver during treatment ( probably just from the toxins released by the anti-microbials - my skin is bad too)

they certainly, give me some relief.

I'm taking a lot of herbs and supplements - but only skip the evening ones on the day before the flush and the next morning ones - so essentially I have 2/3rds of the normal dose for 2 days rather than stopping altogether for days. this seems to work fine.

i am not too concerned about damaging the microbiome - as most of the important species are embedded in the mucous layer on the intestinal lining and should repopulate v quickly once the food starts coming through again - and in fact, the digestive tract is never emptied of food altogether. its a lot less extreme than for instance the prep for a colonoscopy.

i have done quite a few of these and am pretty sure the things typically referred to a "stones" which are pea-sized waxy balls yellowish on the outside and often greenish on the inside are really some kind of bile by-product ( although avid flush followers would likely string me up for saying so! )
this is pretty obvious really as I have produced something in the region of half a pound of them in a sitting and there is simply no room in the gall bladder for that amount.
yet everyone who does the flush right produces these in quantity.

real gallstones are made of cholesterol or other crystalline products and pigment and bilirubin and things and are quite different - they are often calcified.
I have also produced one of these - it was small - chalky inconsistency and reacted vigorously with vinegar.
this was a true stone that could really only have come from my gall bladder - hence it works - but there are a lot of misunderstandings on internet forums about what the various things expelled actually are.




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Can those who have tried cleanses/flushes share which ones they use? Most seem to involve olive oil, but other ingredients vary, including Epsom salt, unfiltered apple juice, unfiltered apple cider vinegar, lemon juice, and generic mentions of "herbs." I would love details of what you have tried, or links to the protocols you used (if they are described online).

Thanks for the xanthan gum tip, Zimica. I don't think that I consume any of it usually, but I will be sure to check. (GF sourdough sounds marvelous, and I bet I'd eat tons of it if I had some!)

Re: Microbe Formulas TUDCA Plus, I emailed them asking about sleepiness from the melatonin, and the company replied that the melatonin is "bound to other molecules" and acts as a "driver" for them, so it does not behave like melatonin taken by itself. They also said that no customers have complained of sleepiness as a side effect. Vague responses make me want to punch things a little bit, but I suppose at least they replied.

I did the "dr hulda clark liver & gallbladder flush". I remember I also took some tinctures for a few weeks prior to that, wormwood, black walnut and clove. I am not sure if this is necessary, I will have to check everything thoroughly if I decide to do it again.

just thought i would update on this as i have now done two recent OO and GFJ flushes 2 weeks apart and am feeling considerable relief - i am now able to sleep through what was a niggling pressure pain sensation that had been waking me up around 4am each night for around 1 month ( frustrating as I have been working hard on improving my sleep and making some progress until this flared up again).

i have also just returned from an abdominal ultrasound scan - and the findings were entirely normal.
to help understand what this actually means I quizzed the operator on what exactly they would be able to see/diagnose. the feedback they gave below :
-gall stones - yes confidently
-liver abscesses - yes - fluid-filled spaces v easy to spot (this was of interest to me as Bart can cause it)
-Bile duct blockage - yes, because the duct upstream of the blockage typically gets dilated - easy to spot.

so whilst it's good news that there was no obvious structural abnormality - it does leave the question of what exactly is going on unanswered. but a quick search shows these types of unexplained GB/liver issues are common on this board.

i suspect is one of the following:
-chronic ongoing subclinical infection of liver/gall bladder ( both lyme and bart are known to do this )
-an autoimmune reaction attacking the GB/Liver - caused by inflammation/infection ( Lyme/bart)
-some functional upset in the gut microbiota causing lots of unwanted by-products in the bile and these irritating the GB ( again dysbiosis well documented in chronic lyme / bart)

have been taking lots of detox support for a long time now - NAC, MSM, Alpha lipoic acid - so will continue those - and will likely do another flush in a week or so - to see if this continues to help (as the first 2 seem to have done).
have also added milk thistle extract 600mg / day - and think this may have also helped a little.