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Posted 11/24/2020 1:31 AM (GMT 0)
I do recall talk on here in the past regarding getting the flu vaccine while infected with lyme. Wondering if anyone has thoughts regrading Covid vaccine?
Posted 11/24/2020 4:37 AM (GMT 0)
yes i will take it. this is not flu, it is viral pneumonia.

have a few friends that have had it and are left with long term health effects. i have lyme, i dont need extra chronic issues.
Posted 11/24/2020 11:10 AM (GMT 0)
i am also interested in weighing up the potential advantages and disadvantages of taking whichever vaccines arrive in the public domain.

I am aware that not all vaccines work by the same method - in fact, they are quite varied in their approach and constituents ( live modified viruses, dead viruses, RNA vaccines, etc )

there are something like 20 SarsCov-2 vaccines underway and about of these 3 are through the first stage clinical trials now. And as far as I know, they all use different approaches.

given how distorted the debate around vaccines in general, is - it would be really good to have some objective evidence to draw on to understand each of the approaches in terms of the risks and benefits the provide.
eg which contain metals ( seem to be a constituent of previous vaccines)

Post Edited (Garzie) : 11/24/2020 9:45:07 AM (GMT-7)

Posted 11/24/2020 1:30 PM (GMT 0)
I probably will get it. Im sure there will be plenty of others before me who try it out.
Posted 11/24/2020 1:36 PM (GMT 0)
I'm not sure. They say it's a two shot deal and both shots ake many people ill for a day. Fevers, muscle aches, headaches etc. Instead an article today that said doctors are worried most patients won't return for the second shot because of the side effects. I'm worried that will trigger a relapse in me. Not sure what to do.
Posted 11/24/2020 3:16 PM (GMT 0)
I doubt it. My chronic Lyme symptoms started 4 days after a flu shot in 2009.

I don’t think I would feel comfortable with anymore vaccines unless someone does research (including genetics) that can accurately identify who may be adversely affected by a given vaccine (and all this be available to the public and covered by insurance).
Posted 11/24/2020 9:39 PM (GMT 0)
As long as the independent review boards, the FDA, and the experts I trust on this subject such as Osterholm and Fauci give it the thumbs up I will get it without a second thought. COVID can cause severe disease, there is evidence of long term/perhaps even chronic lyme like illness in some and we don't know how long immunity lasts on average. In my own self interest the net benefit versus the risk comes out on the positive side. In assessing the net benefit for society versus my own personal risk the results aren't even close.

Post Edited (Lymie24) : 11/24/2020 2:46:40 PM (GMT-7)

Posted 11/24/2020 10:04 PM (GMT 0)

WV Mike said...
I'm not sure. They say it's a two shot deal and both shots ake many people ill for a day. Fevers, muscle aches, headaches etc. Instead an article today that said doctors are worried most patients won't return for the second shot because of the side effects. I'm worried that will trigger a relapse in me. Not sure what to do.

Understand that the acute side effects after the jab is your immune system reacting to the vaccine. This same thing can happen with any vaccination. This is what you want. That means it's working. Flu vaccines can cause similar side effects. Traditional vaccines take a weaker or dead part of the virus for your immune system to react to. The mRNA vaccine works by inserting genetic material of the spike protein of COVID. This trains your immune system to be able to tackle an actual COVID infection.

In theory, since vaccines stimulate the immune system, autoimmunity can result from this. However, I'm not aware of this being anything other than a rare event in vaccine history. In addition, this can happen with any other infection as well. Being infected naturally by COVID will stimulate your immune system, and could result in the same autoimmunity if you are unlucky. Furthermore, you can be exposed to a severe case of actual disease that the vaccine would prevent. Lastly, I would say that the more people that take the COVID vaccine the less suffering and death their will be among the human race.
Posted 11/25/2020 4:52 AM (GMT 0)
Absolutely not ever.
Posted 11/25/2020 5:08 AM (GMT 0)
wvmike did u already catch the 'rona? and got over it...
Posted 11/25/2020 7:06 AM (GMT 0)
I've been thinking about "vaccinating" myself with Jack Daniel's whiskey.
Posted 11/25/2020 7:23 AM (GMT 0)

The Dude Abides said...
I've been thinking about "vaccinating" myself with Jack Daniel's whiskey.


Sounds like a plan. smile
Posted 11/25/2020 7:24 AM (GMT 0)
It's a 'no' for me. (vaccination)
Posted 11/25/2020 1:33 PM (GMT 0)
No blue my grandson had it and somehow I didn't catch it.
Hey lymie no need to try and convince me i was just saying what the article I read said. I believe vaccines are effective. Doctors are worried people won't show up for the second shot after experiencing the side effects of the first. My llmd has advisede to never get any vaccines due to my situation. I certainly won't be the first in line bit would consider it after seeing how it goes for others.
Posted 11/25/2020 1:34 PM (GMT 0)
Oh and lymie trusting faucci on a vaxxcine and having Lyme disease don't really go together. Research lymerix vaccine. Faucci is the reason so many people suffer from Lyme and can't get help.
Posted 11/25/2020 2:43 PM (GMT 0)
Mike, I am aware of the Lymerix vaccine. Please provide sources for that claim.
Posted 11/25/2020 2:46 PM (GMT 0)
"Faucci is the reason so many people suffer from Lyme and can't get help"

I couldn't find anything attributed directly to Fauci with a quick search, though he has been head of NIAIDS since 1984. Is there something I missed?
Posted 11/25/2020 3:21 PM (GMT 0)

mpost said...
have a few friends that have had (covid) and are left with long term health effects. i have lyme, i dont need extra chronic issues.


1000Daisies said...
We have various health issues here, and we certainly do not need extra chronic issues from a rushed vaccine. Thus, it's a no for us given the current information.


There's already evidence of "long-hauler"/chronic covid in a substantial portion of those who get infected naturally. No evidence yet of problems in those vaccinated that im aware of..

I'm fairly certain it will be more dangerous to go on without taking a vaccine, but I will be watching what happens closely in the early days of rollout, particularly in forums such as this one. I won't be eligible to receive vax til later anyway

Post Edited (potsnpans) : 11/25/2020 8:42:29 AM (GMT-7)

Posted 11/25/2020 4:51 PM (GMT 0)
“There's already evidence of "long-hauler"/chronic covid in a substantial portion of those who get infected naturally. No evidence yet of problems in those vaccinated that im aware of.. ”

- How transparent do you think vaccine pushers will be regarding evidence of adverse impacts akin to the COVID long haulers in those vaccinated?

- There’s so much distrust regarding pretty much everything, IMO. True transparency seems pretty much non-existent.

- I lean more and more towards conspiracy assumptions every day. Corruption is deep.
Posted 11/25/2020 4:59 PM (GMT 0)
"- How transparent do you think vaccine pushers will be regarding evidence of adverse impacts akin to the COVID long haulers in those vaccinated?"

The long hauler issues came to light because the many sufferers started speaking out themselves. If the numbers are similar in those who are vaccinated, hiding it will be impossible
Posted 11/25/2020 5:03 PM (GMT 0)

WalkingbyFaith said...
“There's already evidence of "long-hauler"/chronic covid in a substantial portion of those who get infected naturally. No evidence yet of problems in those vaccinated that im aware of.. ”

- How transparent do you think vaccine pushers will be regarding evidence of adverse impacts akin to the COVID long haulers in those vaccinated?

- There’s so much distrust regarding pretty much everything, IMO. True transparency seems pretty much non-existent.

- I lean more and more towards conspiracy assumptions every day. Corruption is deep.

This is the first widespread vaccine that the internet has been around for. It will be harder to lie about side effects. Its also harder to sweep it under the rug if there are side effects. Pfizer is a huge company if they vaccinate folks with something that has lasting side effects it will have lasting impact to their bottom line for other drugs.

If this happened in 1996 folks would have said who was the company that made that vaccine.
Posted 11/26/2020 8:32 PM (GMT 0)

WV Mike said...
. My llmd has advisede to never get any vaccines due to my situation.

what does that even mean? "never get any vaccines"....hmmm yellow fever has fatality rate of 15%. vaccine offers 99% protection one month after shot, for life time.

so your llmd suggests if you travel to places (most central africa, latin america) where yellow fever is prevalent, but with no vaccine - many of these countries will not even let u in without it, but let's pretend....

your llmd is not very smart. no offense....
Posted 11/26/2020 8:47 PM (GMT 0)

1000Daisies said...
We have various health issues here, and we certainly do not need extra chronic issues from a rushed vaccine. Thus, it's a no for us given the current information.

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it is perplexing to me how 260k dead in US alone (and winter has not even started yet) do not seem a big problem, yet a rushed vaccine does...

u realize if 263k have died there are millions that are alive but with lingering health issues, like diminished lung capacity , autoimmune diseaase, heart/kidney damage, etc etc.

i'd take that "rushed vaccine" tomorrow if it were available
Posted Yesterday 1:03 AM (GMT 0)
“ u realize if 263k have died there are millions that are alive but with lingering health issues, like diminished lung capacity , autoimmune diseaase, heart/kidney damage, etc etc.

i'd take that "rushed vaccine" tomorrow if it were available“

I see your point. I’m just hoping everyone else will get the vaccine - lol
Posted 5/4/2021 5:44 PM (GMT 0)
This is a very charged issue for people that are already immune compromised. I get it being scared and wondering what is true in today's world. This is a scary illness and its hard to find what is true and not true unless you read the actual scientific papers and how many of us can do that accurately. I got the flu shot last year for the first time in 10 years and it has been out for how long. What was interesting is I felt better two weeks after that shot than I have felt in three years. It didn't last unfortunately, I slowly got my Lyme symptoms back but for four months I felt really good. So who knows what can happen with a vaccine, it could be good, bad or indifferent. One thing is for sure I don't want Covid and having people I know die from it sure gives you a different perspective. Stay well everyone.
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