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Posted 2/21/2021 7:07 PM (GMT 0)
No dental forum at Healing Well. So I'll post here. (some smart experienced people here)

History:

I brushed to hard as a kid, and still did as an adult till a dentists pointed it out... a little too late. They really should tell you this stuff when younger more often besides the obvious that sugar is bad. Brushing hard creates receding gum lines.

Anyway, most 70's kids still got a few cavities in their molars and then those tend to split in corners into your 40-50's.

Then you get caps/crowns on those that split. I always figured those could cause a future issue. Once the cap is glued on, they cant see any air pockets between the two.....but bad stuff might migrate there.

And caps dont always fit your gums perfect meaning a food catch / floss hassle.

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My point and question:

***I have some caps/crowns on one side that are a pain to floss under, and stuff gets in there, so I have to floss under / in it unlike a real tooth. When "stuff" is in there, a dull ache starts to develop, prob bacteria already making a feast. After more than usual flossing and salt water rinse, the ache goes away.**

Its a dull ache that I thought was maybe TMJ, till I flossed like mad and it improved. Never a throbbing ache.

This requires way more than usual flossing, its difficult to do and its a problem that I assume will promote decay issues on the "stump" of my old tooth to which the crown is glued onto..

Anyone else experience this?

Did you get newer crowns that fit better to take care of the problem?

This has been going off and on for 3-4 years.

I dont know if x-rays can show decay of a stump under a crown?

Doing my homework before the dentist next month. Prob should get in earlier but COVID might make that not possible.

If I learn anything here- thanks since this is the lyme forum.
Posted 2/21/2021 7:15 PM (GMT 0)
I have not experienced this, but I would highly recommend seeing a biological dentist if you can find one in driving distance. They know so much more and have such different options to work with than conventional dentists. You can look for one at https://iaomt.org/for-patients/search/
Posted 2/21/2021 7:19 PM (GMT 0)
I thought they are primarily for removing silver fillings? (which is additional SMART-certification).

Found a few, some look like they take insurance (if im lucky).

Im guessing they have addition additional fees for things that regular dentists don't do(?)

Post Edited (astroman) : 2/21/2021 12:45:38 PM (GMT-7)

Posted 2/21/2021 7:42 PM (GMT 0)
They do that, too. They also use ozone and have more knowledge and take more care and concern over the long term effects of what they do. Very different from conventional dentists if you find a good one.

I was blessed enough to find a really good one an hour away.
Posted 2/21/2021 7:47 PM (GMT 0)
If you have dental coverage were you able to use that at all?
Posted 2/21/2021 8:00 PM (GMT 0)
It depends on the type of crown if an X Ray can see what’s under it. W a ceramic crown they can, some of the newer ones like zirconia they can’t.

My teeth are super sensitive because of receding gums on two teeth, can’t even get the water pick done when I get a cleaning. They told me they could drill right around the tooth where the dentin is showing and replace it w a composite filling if I wanted. Wonder if they could do something like that for you so stuff doesn’t collect there on the part that’s showing, or does the crown prohibit that.

Does mouthwash help? Maybe get an ozonated water machine on amazon, might kill some of the baddies
Posted 2/21/2021 8:08 PM (GMT 0)
My ceramic crown (got my first one about two years ago.) does not have any areas where food gets in.
It should be sealed off
Some dentists are better than others’

I’ve had a few (dentists) that weren’t that great.

... and I have severe gum recession from many years ago... that has now resolved - ie it’s stable. But no areas where food gets caught in.
Posted 2/21/2021 8:45 PM (GMT 0)
Coverage will depend on your insurance. They will not be preferred providers. If you have dental coverage that covers non- preferred providers, it would cover up to a certain percentage. You would pay the remaining percentage plus the amount over their “cap” for that service. The insurance cap is likely to be far less than the charge.

See if you can find one. Then call and find out what a consultation would cost. Figure on paying the bulk of it.
Posted 2/21/2021 9:08 PM (GMT 0)
dcd: Mouthwash doesn't seem to do anything. I read that salt-water will help, mixed some up and it does. Think I have basic ceramic crowns.

girlie - not all of my crowns do that. But if yours is only two years old, your gums might still change in time.

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I didn't start using a low pressure electric toothbrush till recently. Still find myself applying to much pressure and correcting it- I'm an impatient tooth brusher.

Have not used a waterpik

No root cannals, certainly hope that never happens.

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Post Edited (astroman) : 2/21/2021 2:12:40 PM (GMT-7)

Posted 2/22/2021 12:49 AM (GMT 0)
I have this TheraNeem tooth and gum powder. Has neem in it. I like it. I think they have a line of neem products. Neem is antimicrobial.

Do you do oil pulling with coconut oil?

I used to have very receded gums and was told it was because I brushed too hard. However, after I got all my amalgams replaced, my gums are less receded in some areas than they were. It’s possible that herbal medicine has played a part, too. What’s interesting is the gums didn’t recede like that until I got braces. When the braces came off, the gums were very receded.

I had the braces that were bands all the way around each tooth on all my teeth. Very painful 5 hour trauma. I think trauma from the braces caused mine rather than brushing too hard.

My point is, I wonder if you brush with something like the neem powder periodically and do oil pulling a few times a week, would the gums meet the cap and the gap be gone?

Worth a try.

However, as this has been going on several years, there is very likely decay somewhere. So, I would still look for one of those fancy dentists.😁

Post Edited (WalkingbyFaith) : 2/21/2021 6:00:01 PM (GMT-7)

Posted 2/22/2021 1:36 AM (GMT 0)
I might google for some more alternative dental health forums (if any exist) to see if anything is known to work for growing back gum lines.

TheraNeem tooth and gum powder sounds awesome. Never tried coconut oil "pulling" , wouldnt hurt to try.
Posted 2/22/2021 4:22 AM (GMT 0)
I don’t think you can grow gums back.
I have stopped the recession from continuing - but the gums haven’t “grown” back.
But at this point I’m just glad the recession has stopped.
Posted 2/22/2021 4:24 AM (GMT 0)
I don’t think the gums actually grow. I think they move. Mine did. At least partially.
Posted 2/22/2021 4:25 AM (GMT 0)
Astro: “ I didn't start using a low pressure electric toothbrush till recently. Still find myself applying to much pressure and correcting it- I'm an impatient tooth brusher.”

That’s exactly what my husband does! And the toothbrush is all splayed.
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