Vaccine influences our Lyme disease - More countries suspend AstraZeneca vaccinations

We are going to have differences as to what we think is best and why and as to who we trust, and that's one reason why we should all be able to post our beliefs freely. If the suspensions on the Astrazeneca vaccine are lifted, you could post that, potsnpans, but isitlyme has no obligation to do so.

For example, i found very good news that the European Medicine Agency suspended the use of some quinolone antibiotics wish were causing harm to people. And they are now restricted and only allowed if "antibacterial medicines commonly recommended for these infections cannot be used."

Is this good news or bad? For some doctors bad news, if they were used to prescribe quinolones as first line antibiotics and they still agree with that, regardless of EMA decision. But doctors and people who dont agree with this, its good news.

This is what i am trying to tell. Doctors who see this as good news would never publish nothing that promote the lift of these restrictions, in case EMA lifted them, and vice-versa.

Post Edited (isitlyme) : 3/15/2021 7:30:52 PM (GMT-6)

Girlie said...
I was sent this link re: covid vaccine.

What are your thoughts?


I'll change to a tinyURL - see if that works.

https://tinyurl.com/pf7ajdyk

Thank you for sharing, Girlie. She is very accurate in explaining the possible harm that covid vaccines can do, and the fact that the ingredients on the vaccine where never used in any vaccine ever and were never trialed or tested alone in people, that is a red flag and a possible cause of many adverse events. I only think depopulation is too extreme, i dont think it will reach that far, although the Belgian virologist, that i mentioned earlier, explained why the mass vaccine approach can cause a tragic problem to humanity, by forcing the surge of new resistant variants and consequently, many, many more casualties in the future. So who knows? Only time, will be the ultimate witness and investigator, but for now, i think time and past events have elucidated me enough to make a decision to avoid them. I would now prefer treatments or repurposed meds that are used for decades now, like ivermectin or perhaps exo-cd and who knows others? more discoveries are being made with this COVID virus.

Post Edited (isitlyme) : 3/15/2021 7:26:00 PM (GMT-6)

“ I only think depopulation is too extreme, i dont think it will reach that far, “

I agree

isitlyme: the parts of my post you responded to were merely the groundwork for this last part where you can find my actual question:

"If suspensions are lifted, the evidence is then removed. If that happens and you don't follow up on it, then you're not helping people decide for themselves.. instead you are being a bit deceptive aren't you?"

Basically if you are only willing to share partial information then you are not being helpful.

Re: needing more time: you already think there's enough evidence to say the vaccines are unsafe, right? If they are already unsafe, how will more time prove otherwise?

..and to answer your question: no, I don't believe we need 10 years of evidence to make a decision here.

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isitlyme said...
ivermectin has shown also to prevent deaths, reduce hospitalizations and resolve early covid symptoms, so people have an option to take the ivermectin "vaccine".

Ivermectin's effectiveness might seem comparable to that of the vaccines if you only review the small positive studies in the way that Dr. Kory did. The NIH review was much more comprehensive and less biased (yet still mostly positive imo).

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Girlie: someone posted that video maybe a month ago. If I remember correctly she was talking about antibody dependent enhancement (ADE) or maybe more specifically vaccine associated enhanced respiratory disease (VAERD). These were side effects of a couple of vaccines produced for other viruses (in the 60s I think) that failed in clinical trials. When those in the vaccine group came in contact with the wild virus, many of them became much more sick than those in the control group who were not vaccinated.

The covid vaccines that were approved have shown that they do not cause ADE/VAERD, yet Tennpeny seems certain that it will show up in I guess a month or two? ..considering when the interview was recorded? I don't remember her reasoning, but I think the mRNA trials started in July which would be about 8 months ago... not sure when we're allowed to officially say she was wrong.

Imo it's a wild prediction coming only from a physician who has a history of demonizing most vaccines, not just these new ones. I don't think she will be held accountable by any of the people who trust her, so she's at liberty to make these kinds of claims without fearing repercussion and her voice will continue to get amplified far more than it should be.

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isitlyme said...
...the Belgian virologist, that i mentioned earlier, explained why the mass vaccine approach can cause a tragic problem to humanity, by forcing the surge of new resistant variants and consequently, many, many more casualties in the future

I skimmed through his letter. It seems like he's basing his entire hypothesis on vaccines not preventing asymptomatic covid. It's becoming increasing clear that they do prevent it though, and for the mRNAs it looks like by 85-90%.

Post Edited (potsnpans) : 3/16/2021 6:16:16 AM (GMT-6)

Europe.

"BREAKIG NEWS: Doctors & Scientists write to EMA re COVID-19 vaccine safety"

https://pressat.co.uk/releases/breakig-news-doctors-scientists-write-to-ema-re-covid-19-vaccine-safety-be11df3b8f9d599b2560dea639700355/

Post Edited (ChristianWithLyme) : 3/16/2021 11:29:02 AM (GMT-6)

You're right, isitlyme. It did the same thing for me. I then copied my link and pasted it to the browser, and it worked.

An explanation would be that the site is being or already bad been hacked by someone who doesnt want this particular letter to the emea from scientists and doctors to be spread to the people. Other links work fine, even the ones that were already posted about vaccine adverse events. So i guess, only these one are being suppressed. I dont believe the Admins are aware of this.. I they are, i could not imagine what that could mean. But the most probable explanation, is that they arent..

Post Edited (isitlyme) : 3/16/2021 10:08:40 AM (GMT-6)

Yes, I just tested those two links to The Truth about Cancer, and they won't work either. That's happened before where links would not work to go to that site.

I'm not really surprised though (censorship I presume). I guess we just have to figure out how to go around it as you have already mentioned.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/wellness/astrazeneca-vaccine-blood-clot/2021/03/15/d0d5f1ee-85b0-11eb-82bc-e58213caa38e_story.html

Excerpt:

"Although there isn’t exact epidemiological data on the prevalence of coagulation disorders, incidence estimates in 2017 ranged from about 300 per 100,000 people per year to about 650 per 100,000 people per year, according to a draft report requested by the European Medicines Agency that included data from several countries including the United Kingdom, Germany, Italy, Spain and Denmark.

In the case of AstraZeneca’s vaccine, the drugmaker said in a statement Sunday that out of more than 17 million people who were inoculated with the shots, there have been 15 events of deep vein thrombosis (DVT) and 22 events of pulmonary embolism reported as of early March. These reports have led to a number of countries, including Germany, France and Italy, to pause use of the vaccine, despite European regulators and the World Health Organization still maintaining that the benefits of AstraZeneca’s vaccine outweigh potential risks. (The vaccine has yet to be authorized in the United States.)

“Around 17 million people in the EU and UK have now received our vaccine, and the number of cases of blood clots reported in this group is lower than the hundreds of cases that would be expected among the general population,” Ann Taylor, AstraZeneca’s chief medical officer, said in the statement."

The incidence of blood coagulation disorders thus far is actually LOWER in the vaccine population that the EU general population.

So, at this point, even if the AZ vaccine did cause this effect it would be rare. Of course, as more info comes out, positive or negative, adjustments can be made. Overall, the question that remains, that those with a clear agenda seem to never want to confrontt, does the benefits outweigh the risks? I don't see how this news moves the needle.

You are right. The person Mr. A.J. you mention is known to be controversial. Not the best source. This source can be avoided in the future, but it does not change that there are other reliable sources, wish confirm what he says and what is happening and does not change that many things, he refers to, are true and valid.

i confirmed most things he said on other reliable sources and he is not wrong about everything, people just need to confirm on other sources, independent from Mr. A.J. and judge.

He shows some data published, that i already knew and they are valid.

The doctor who speaks on the phone is the most important part. Even if we cannot confirm his identity, because he is afraid for obvious reasons, i believe he is not lying. Who knows if he choosed this person Mr. A.J. knewing that it would be independent from most of media? Im not saying it was the case, but its not out of question.

Thank you for your feedback.

Post Edited (isitlyme) : 3/16/2021 11:43:36 AM (GMT-6)

ChristianWithLyme said...
I changed it, isitlyme. Thanks.

Lymie24, thanks for sharing. I rarely hear Alex Jones and can't comment on that info, but we are each going to have differing opinions on what are "trusted sources".

And as isitlyme mentioned, we can compare what we hear with other sources to try to confirm.

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There are more trustworthy, and credible sources than others. I get that no source is perfect. Every journalist outfit makes mistakes. However, based upon history, reputation, quality of work, and trustworthiness sources like the New York Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, BBC, AP, Reuters, etc. are well ahead of people like Alex Jones. Mind you, that doesn't mean other sources always report dishonest news, but you have to be more careful with those sources. Other sources have clear biases, but confuse their viewers by having more fact based news on during the days, and opinion talk shows at night(CNN, MSNBC, Fox News)

Back to the vaccine, it makes me sad to see how politicized it has become. People have become fearful and confused and there will be a price to pay in mortality, morbidity (which you would think Lyme patients would be sensitive), and possible mutations due to continued spread and reproducing of COVID. That goes for more than just North America. The world is global now. As long as COVID continues to spread out of control in places like Africa humanity as a whole will continue to be at an increased risk.

The rhetoric, without convincing evidence or without a nuanced debate, is dangerous. I get that people actually believe this stuff. I do not doubt that those skeptical of the vaccine honestly believe what they say. However, at this point, the evidence does not support their conclusions. This is a problem because we are not rational animals. I studied the data, listened to experts, found more than just one voice or group to base my decision on. I knew that when using the concepts that help us determine about what is most likely true about the natural world...reason, logic, and the scientific method that the benefits outweighed the risks, according to current evidence, for myself and society. Even then, after I got my first COVID dose (Pfizer) the irrational voices in the back on my head almost caused me to have a panic attack as I was sitting in the parking lot for 15 minutes after the injection. I had to reach into my military bag and bring out the "warrior breathing" techniques to calm myself down. When I was in the military we had to get the flu vaccine every year. Did I react like that every year? Hell no. I didn't have large group of people trying to convince me that I was going to be seriously injured or killed.



I think people have been indoctrinated by those wishing to cast doubt on the vaccine. Skepticism is good. However, people do not apply the same level of skepticism to other areas of their lives. They don't apply that level to other drugs they take. They don't apply it to driving, playing sports, alcohol, smoking, drinking and driving, dietary habits, exercise routine, sedentary lifestyle, etc. etc.

Let's focus on medicine and treatments. There is far more evidence that the COVID vaccines are safe and effective than there is for ANY chronic Lyme treatment. In fact, not even a month ago I was hospitalized attempting Dr. Horowitz's double dapsone protocol. He is one of if not the leading expert on persistent Lyme! He made that protocol off of clinical experience and a chart review. Not the most rigorous study methods. We don't have any studies that I'm aware of that focuses on short and long term risks of long-term abx, or any other alternative therapy beyond that. Don't get me wrong. I understand the desperation that comes with this disease, and the willingness to take risks. My point is many here as Lyme patients have tried treatments in which safety and efficacy were unknown outside of a doctor's clinical experience yet doubt the safety and efficacy of a medicine that has way more evidence to prove it's safety and efficacy. It's illogical.