need some insight ASAP!!!

This pertains to my fast. I would have included this in my fasting thread, but wanted to get some attention as I need some insight quickly.

I had planned on ending my fast this morning, and my stomach is grumbling knowing that I had planned on eating breakfast, hence the urgency...but I noticed something that has me wondering whats going on, if I should end it asap, or keep goin longer.

Basically, this is what my stools looked like on this fast:

Days 1-2: normal
Days 3-6: mostly clear or very light brown water
Day 7-8: darker brown water
Days 9-10: A very gross darker green watery mess w/ some particle masses/consistency to it

Yesterday I didnt think much of it, but todays stool was so odd that it had me wondering whats goin on.

Is it possible that I'm expelling candida? Based on my google searches it appears that when cultured candida is green colored. If this is the case I'd want to keep my fast going several more days.

Or...is it possible that I'm somehow just doing some damage to my microbiome in ways I dont understand and thats the cause of the coloration? In which case I'd want to end it immediately.

Need to make a decision as I was all prepared to have some light food this am.


EDIT: Now I'm seeing that bile is normally yellow to green to start, then brown by the time it comes out due to chemcial changes. Maybe I'm just moving the bile through too quickly.

Post Edited (dcd2103) : 6/24/2021 4:42:05 AM (GMT-6)

Zero supplements, just water + electrolytes (espon salt for mag, salt for sodium, potassium chloride).

It appears that it could be from bile moving through the digestive tract too quickly. Odd that it wouldnt have been green colored earlier in the process though, so I'm not sure. An infection can cause green stool, but I feel great, so I dont think its an infection.

But I'm ending the fast. 10 days is enough. I want to see how my digestion is when I'm done. There's always the risk you screw something up, so I want to see how I do. If I do well, I can always do a longer fast in a couple months. I've accomplished what I set out to do at this point.

I think you mgiht be right. I went to have some breakfast, made an egg w/ vegetables, and couldnt do it. I've come this far, 10 days, why not shoot for 14.

lol re: simultaneous post! So I texted mary r and she was very encouraging. She described a fast as "weeding" the bad bugs. She said 10 days was a huge start to the weeding process, and she regularly has patients do anywhere from a 3-20 day fast, but it was implied that I should follow it up w/ a healthy ketogenic diet to continue the weeding, and then look to start rebuilding w/ pre-biotics. I will probably resume the l reuteri yogurt as well.

This all makes sense. I'm very glad I did this. As I've detailed on here many times, I've struggled w/ a microbiome that is just a mess, and is clearly a huge source of inflammation for me. Anti-microbials, probiotics, rifaxamin, nothing dents it. The reason is, and to steal an analogy I read, once the healthy bacteria go, whats left over becomes "a swamp". Only creatures grow in it. Not to quote that loser Trump, but you do have to "drain the swamp". No solution in a bottle I've found is going to do that. Hopefully this fast starts the process, because its freakin hard.

Just occurred to me, Dr Rahav suggested I use binders on Tuesday, day 8. I took them tuesday night. Wednesday day 9 and thursday day 10 the stool turns green. The binders must have been pulling the bile out. Adds up. So they work as advertised!

Just wanted to give you a cheer...

The only time I tried fasting my eyes turned yellow (Gilbert's syndrome) that was after about 24 hours. I threw the towel in pretty quick as I was unsure what my bilirubin was going to do.

Hi dcd2103 - really impressed with your fasting progress! I also read Pirouette's fasting post last year and after a lot of research started trying shorter fasts. I eventually got up to a 5 day fast but had the same bad low back pain that kept me from sleeping for a couple of nights, couldn't find a way around it and was worried that it might be kidney related so I ended the fast.

Wish I had gotten CBC/CMP blood tests while I was fasting to see if that might tell was going on with the back pain. Did you just push through it or find another solution?

I broke a couple of my shorter fasts too quickly and was very uncomfortable. Found this site very helpful, it has a detailed plan for carefully breaking the fast - https://drjockers.com/extended-fasting/

Interesting. I have some methocarbamol left over, might try that next time around.

I went back and looked at my notes, I was trying to be careful with small portions of bland food as recommended but ramped it up too quickly. Fasting makes all food taste awesome and once I started it was hard to stop! Portion control is very important. I started feeling bloated, achy and allergic and it wasn't going away. I came up with the idea of starting fasting again for ~24 hours, then refeeding again more slowly and that worked for me.

It was interesting measuring things during my various fasts, I monitored blood sugar, ketones, weight, temperature, BP, pulse, SP02. I was able to stop my antihistamine (cetirizine) during the fast and for a couple of weeks afterwards that I normally have to take year round. My blood sugar wasn't bad before, but has been more stable and lower ever since. Also saw lasting improvements in BP and pulse. Here are a few of the many studies I found if you haven't seen them:

Fasting: Molecular Mechanisms and Clinical Applications
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3946160/

Medically supervised water-only fasting in the treatment of hypertension
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11416824/

Safety, health improvement and well-being during a 4 to 21-day fasting period in an observational study including 1422 subjects
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6314618/

Effects of complete water fasting and regeneration diet on kidney function, oxidative stress and antioxidants
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29455546/

potsnpans said...
Ahhh ok.. so what binders are you taking and will you be taking them daily from here on out?

I've taken activated charcoal (not while fasting) and it always seems to firm things up/dry me out down there..

I was still wondering why some people have bms watery or otherwise, so I searched around a little and it sounds like it's very common.. probably just the body's way of maintaining balance of salt/electrolytes

I’ve been using quicksilver binder which is a mix of several different binders charcoal and clay I believe.

The body always dumps water in ketosis, so it didn’t surprise me that I kept going. Apparently glycogen is stored along water and the body dumps if when into ketosis. I always have trouble staying hydrated on keto I could drink a gallon of water and it won’t have any effect other than I pee it right out.


I thought that was pretty cool that as soon as i took the binder the stool turned green. It kind of confirms the idea that the body will recirculate bile (and toxins) unless you “catch” it

One of the other ways I know that I am expelling toxins is that i got two large cysts on my face and I never get acne

Post Edited (dcd2103) : 6/24/2021 8:01:21 PM (GMT-6)