Lyme treatment and Hypothyroid

Hi everyone, posting here because I see a lot of lyme people in the thyroid forum and it is lyme specific

I've been in remission for over a year because of Disulfiram. Occassionally I get bit or relapse and take a small bit of DSF and antibiotics. I take herbs everyday.

I've also been taking Kratom for antibiotic and euphoric effect.

I have had to go on and off thyroid medication. T3 and Armour Thyroid 7mg (15 split in half). I stopped taking it about six months ago

Every two months I have what I think is thyroid problems. Extreme joint pain. Right now, I am unable to lift my left arm due to pain in my shoulder a few days back I woke up. I also have extreme pain in my left elbow that hasn't gone away in almost a year.

I have since learned that DSF and Kratom, and possible something else I am taking, are extremely bad for the thryoid. The usage corresponds with more pain and insomia I believe is related to thyroid

I have some pills left , some AP Thyroid. Some T3, and some T3/T4 combo.

The thing is when I take one of those pills I feel HORRIBLE for 24 hours and I don't know if I should continue.

I'm wondering if there is some kind of relief. I am not sure if I should keep taking the pills. I have a doctors appointment scheduled in April. I can take a blood panel in a few weeks.

But what can I do now to get some kind of relief?

Today I am just not taking any pills and seeing if I feel better. Just nothing.

Garzie said...


that said i very much doubt extreme pain in limbs/joints is thyroid related - general aches and pains maybe, cold, fatigued etc definitely - not so much extreme localised pain

Hi Garzie thanks for responding to my need for help

I went from working out last week and being fine, then one day having blurry vision. The next, slight depression and fatigue. First I thought it was lyme so I took some disulfiram at a small dose. I respond really well to disulfiram and get a herx the next day. I did not. But then, I started to get joint pain. I've always had joint pain in my arms, it just went worse. I went on a trip, and when I came back, because I couldn't sleep, I crashed in bed. I woke up unable to lift my left arm and pain in my shoulder.

trying to figure it out because I was taking Kratom with Disulfiram I googled "Kratom and Thyroid"

and found this

Somebody said...

I was an everyday user of Kratom for years and years and like everybody, I thought it helped save my life from addiction, pain, fatigue and depression...While I was taking Kratom I've had numerous blood labs done and the results were always the same. My thyroid was barely "working" and barely producing hormones, which btw is neccesary for almost every cell in your body and has a direct link to your adrenal gland as well. They put me on a daily regimen of levothyroxine which is a medicine which helps your thyroid to produce. I was told this was a life long medication and my thyroid would never "heal". Turns out after quitting Kratom for a while. My blood test and t3 and t4 results were perfectly normal and fine and this was after I ran out of medication for over a month and a half. My cortisol levels were back to normal, when on K, they were 3 times the normal lvl. Mostly from an overworked adrenal gland. Testosterone is seriously affected as well, but that's for another convo or a previous post. Extreme, multi joint pain, adrenal fatigue, low sex hormones, tendon and ligament deterioration can all be attributed to long term kratom use. I'm talking, like me, 4 to 5 years plus is when I really started to feel off physically. A lot of my current MRI and xrays I have turn out as similar to a person almost twice my age. Before K, and during most of my time on it, I worked out 6 times a week, looked great and had no problems physically that I was aware of. Be careful guys with long term use. K messes up your hormone balance in so many places and truth be told,balanced hormones are one of the most important parts of your biology as a healthy human being. Just some food for thought.....God Bless u all and stay clean off the sludgy green!

...and before my lyme doctor put me on thyroid medication after successful DSF treatment and then took me off


I'm just stuck not knowing what to do
I can order the Thyroid panels at least.

Just wondering if there is anything I can do to get relief in the short term today or this week

If I go to a regular doctor, they will make me do the MD -> specialist -> labs -> satanic clown tick tok dance and "it's all in your head we can only give you SSRI" bs

Solomon seal tincture also works as a temporary topical pain solution.

oregonhay said...
I tried the above website but they wanted an email

You mean restartmed?
They give you this list after signing up with your email:

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Complete Set of Thyroid Lab tests Include:

TSH (Thyroid stimulating hormone)
Free T3 (Triiodothyronine, free)
Free T4 (Thyroxine, free)
Reverse T3 (Triiodothyronine, reverse)
Total T3 (Total triiodothyronine)
Thyroglobulin Antibody
Thyroid Peroxidase Antibody
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i know you read that Kratom and or disfliram can impair thyroid function

but this does not mean that the pain you are suffering right now is due to the kratom or disulfiram damaging your thyroid - it could be - but there are dozens of other possible causes.

i think you need to get tested to understand if you are having a thyroid issue and go from there

you may need to manage the pain in the meantime - but tests generally come back in a few days

bare in mind - even if the thyroid is off - it may help to rectify the thyroid hormone levels for overall overall health - but it may not be the actual cause of your pain. Again it could be involved - but its not a given.

as an example - i have hashimotos and had very high TSH and thyroid antibodies and was still mountain biking in the hills for 4 hours with this undiagnosed before getting lyme - and while i feel a little better on T4+T3 meds - it has not been night and day for me - the lyme and bart are a much bigger beast

RainyCloud - THANK YOU
Garzie - Really good point, thank you. I think it was all at once (not just the kratom) but made things worse
astroman - Thank you!

so today after feeling slightly better and able to move my arm a bit more, and googling every single pill , food, obsecure tips and trick

I found I could get relief ... with a cold shower. Which in my case, was jumping in the river. I feel better now. I'll try it again tomorrow. This was some obscure suggestion to help with thyroid, I can't remember how I found it. It either worked or the placebo effect was good enough.

long term, the problem is this will go away by the time I see a doctor. They'll make me do a test, things will come out fine. Of course at this point they'll try to jack me up with SSRI's or whatever they do with the 'its all in your head' bs we all have to deal with.

If I buy my own test, wait until this happens again, take it to a standard doctor or clinic they won't accept the test results for liability reasons. So I end up in AMA-dr-fauci-hell never nailing it down so frustrating.

hopefully I can get a hold of my LLND with a good test result she can figure it out