Can't Tell if this is a Reaction to New Supplements

Trying one more new naturopath to see if she can help with Lyme and other problems I have going on.

She has me taking supplements from a company called Cellcore. Started yesterday with one that has minerals, supposedly for energy and detox support. Another is for mitrochondria and detox support. ONe is a binder and other is to help with constipation. Also have some tinicures from Energique for Lyme, along with one for kidney dietox and another for liver detox. I have not started the tinicures.

Since started at a very low dose yesterday, I have had a uptick in pain, stiffness, cold hands and feet and migraines. Not sure if it is coincidence. Seems it wouldn't be, but she said a reaction to those supplements as I'm having would be "doubtful."

I really think she is a sincere person and trying to help, but wonder if the reaction to these supplements could be causing the symptoms. They are not made to kill anything, as the names imply.

Would the detox aspect alone do this? Seems for years I've seen "yes" answers to that question.

i think people who are already in a highly inflamed state and suffering many symptoms can be super sensitive to even mild supplements and gentle detoxing type therapies

we read about it here all the time

so, though i am sure the person is sincere and isn't expecting reactions, that may apply to most people but not those that are already sensitive.

if it were me i would start one at a time 4-5 days apart minimum - and keep notes on all current and new symptoms / reactions etc

running wild said...


Garzie - It's odd that I know there is so much inflammation happening, but any tests on inflammation (ESR, CRP) have ALWAYS been very low. That goes back for many years,including one from last week. I've never had one that isn't in the low range, going back 20+ years.
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those measures are not typically useful for measuring inflammation in chronic infections RW
conventional doctors will say they are - but that is just a rule of thumb they are carrying over, in their ignorance, from what is expected in acute infections and expecting the same in chronic ones.

there are ample scientific references for this - Breitschwerdt and his group at Duke published it in bartonella patients in particular

my partner and i have also always had low or very low CRP (and even low high sensitivity CRP) throughout our illness - and both of our ESR's were typically <1 ( the detection limit)
this's actually abnormally low - most healthy people will have low single digit numbers - but again this is never flagged by conventional doctors as all they care about is its below a certain number - they are not asking the question - "why is it so low in someone who is clearly sick"

in reality all chronic illnesses are inflammatory conditions - and as i understand it - you have numerous auto-immune issues (inflammatory) - evident tissue inflammation in the skin etc and so any doc worth their salt should be asking - "how can inflammation be low in this person when there are such evident physical signs of inflammation? so am i using the right test?"
sadly, those with enquiring minds seem to have vacated the medical profession in recent decades.

the family doctor used to be a respected position in society - now i think they are essentially rejects from academia who failed to obtain a tenured position at a university - or a lucrative career in research.
no one wants to do the job any more - my local town has empty GP surgeries and huge waiting times because they cannot hire doctors.