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Posted 9/19/2010 9:53 AM (GMT 0)
Dan,
Thanks Dan I will try to do that. Do you ever call the company and ask for samples? Our local HME store would only sell me a box of them and then if they don't work I'm stuck with a bunch. My WOCN ordered me some samples of wafers and pouches and I believe they sent me two and at the time & the way I was leaking it wasn't a very good test and I resorted back to my old stuff.

I've tried hollister several times and always leak...maybe it is my technique but I tend to go with something that doesn't put me through the leaking. I know that fighting these skin ulcers since last December I have used a truck load of stuff trying to heal them and cleaning up the leaks. Thank God for you and friar's balsm because this is the most relief I've had in months..
Posted 9/19/2010 4:42 PM (GMT 0)
Cathy
I have called Convatec and Hollister and asked for advice and samples many times. Convatec phone is 800 422 8811. Hollister is 888 740 8999. They are pretty free with giving samples.

Dan
Posted 9/19/2010 9:25 PM (GMT 0)
When I had my colosotmy I used various pouches without much success but when I had my colon reattached and had an ilestomy replace that that all changed.
In hospital after my second operation my stoma nurse put me onto these Pelican flat pouches 839336 which Iuse with eakin seals. Since I began to use these I am amazed and very happy that I have almost completely eliminated leaking and burning problems.I can wear the same pouch for at least 4-5 days minimum before the seal begins to break down and the pouches fit snugly to my skin. My stoma protrudes probably at least 1/2inch as well and I have a hernia at the edge of my stoma which causes extra swelling but using these pouches with the seals is incredible. No more of those unwanted flows or pain.
Posted 6/8/2011 6:21 AM (GMT 0)

I had a revision done on "Duke" in Dec and he now sheds his clothes almost everyday. If I keep it on 24 hours that is a long time. Prior to the revision I could mostly keep it on for 3-5 days. I use the hollister high output, 2 piece products. I read a couple of post that said Hollister's do not stick well. What does?  My stoma is only out about 1/2 inch on the outside and almost level with the skin on the inside side. The opening is also not centered. It opens at about 4 or 5 o'clock right on the edge of the flush side. There have been days when the wafers have come loose 4 times in one day. I have used eakin seals, coloplast paste strips, 1/3 flat circle things, the glue stuff -although I have been told the Smith and Nephew is no longer available, but was the best.  I think I have tried everything!!  Including peptobismal to try to heal the burns that I get after it leaks!! 

Someone on this thread asked about healing the area under the wafer and I did finally get some GREAT advise on how to heal the burns. Flonase Nasal Spray. The generic is fluticasone. It is a corticosteriod and works in just a day or two --and I get 2nd and sometimes 3rd degree burns under my wafer. It allows the wafer to stick over it when it is dry. I do not know how it really works, but I think the skin must absorb the medicine and leaves a dry surface for the wafer to stick too. The pharmacist told me that they make stronger ointments, but wafers will not stick to that type of things. I just read on here about Friars Balsam but I do not know what it is. My Medicare Rx plan pays for the Flonase. Oh yes, it does not burn at all.

I have also called several of the companies directly on their 1-800 numbers and they are all always very helpful and send samples of most items.

Any suggestions on the stickiest wafers will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Emma Jane

Posted 6/8/2011 1:48 PM (GMT 0)
Initially my husband had great success using the eakin seal under his hollister new image convex wafer. The adapt ring was better in that it did not leave a lot of residue on his skin to take off when changing. As he gained weight he started having leaks so we stopped using the ring as we were now giving him too much convexity I reasoned out and that worked for awhile. However his skin decided it did not like the adhesive on the hollister after about 3 months so we had to switch to convatech.

The convatech moldable wafer with nothing additional underneath it has been working super....this last change however there is some irritation in the outer adhesive area...GRRRRRRRRRRRR...not happy if we have to now try another brand.

Both the hollister before changing over was working fine and this one is too insofar as no leaks so it is discouraging when the darn adhesive is reacting with his skin.

So if you need the extra seal beneath you might want to try the Hollister Adapt ring and see if it works as well but leaves very little if any residue to deal with.
Posted 6/11/2011 5:46 PM (GMT 0)
80"s,

I've been away. Have you had any blockages since you had your June revision?

Rosemary

PS I use convatec and Eakins. Sorry to hear you still have leaks. How do you deal with that while teaching?
Posted 6/11/2011 11:49 PM (GMT 0)
Ron
A convex wafer is hard and formed like a soup bpwl. It pushes in around the stoma. I wear one because my stoma s retracted. Without the convexity when my stoma contracts it turns sideways and pushes the sewage out under the wafer. Without the convex wafer I had many 5 AM blowouts. None since the convex wafer.

Dan
Posted 6/12/2011 4:56 AM (GMT 0)
. After cleaning the stoma, I fill in uneven spaces around the stoma with stomahesive, then I put a generous ring around the exterior center hole of the convex wafer. I clean the surgery wound while the paste is drying. I put on an anti-fungal powder and a wound barrier spray after the skin is dry. I am allergic to adhesives and wound barrier helps my skin not react. I change the pouch 5 tp 7 times a day have no leakage. When I use the Eakins seal I have leakage when I exercise

"I just love Hollister. I love that the bags come in skin colored, they don't rustle as much, THEY HAVE A MINI-POUCH (why does no one else carry this???), and they have the non-adhesive option. My skin cannot handle adhesive for more than a day.

" What non-adhesive product do you have?

Thank you.
SZm
Posted 6/12/2011 2:47 PM (GMT 0)
Subzero
You change the pouch FIVE TO SEVEN TIMES A DAY ????

Dan
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