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Posted 2/5/2008 8:17 PM (GMT 0)

I have been taking 1000 mg L-Arginine in the AM daily since Jan 17.  On Jan 23 I took an injection of .12 cc of Trimix with very good results.  On Jan 25 I began taking 100 mg of Generic Viagra daily from alldaychemist for rehabilitation.  I had been told by one urologist that “Viagra and Trimix are a deadly combination”.  On Saturday Night Feb 2 I had planned my own Super Bowl.  I did not take Viagra but did inject .14 cc of Trimix.  “Kick Off” was around 10:00 PM and may I say it was an outstanding game. 

 

Now for the bad news.  At 2:00 AM I was still ready to play and we were on the way to the emergency room.  It was around 5:00 before the urologist on call made his appearance and began irrigation.

 

I have noticed that some of you on this forum are using Viagra and Trimix.  I do not want to discontinue the Viagra for rehabilitation or Trimix for “Super Bowls”.  Since I did not agree with what this urologist said I want to ask those of you who use this combination….  What have been your experiences?  Should I continue the L-Arginene?  How much should I reduce the Viagra and/or Trimix to hopefully avoid another trip to the ER?  

 

Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated!!

Posted 2/5/2008 8:25 PM (GMT 0)
I take 1000 mg L-Arginine and 50 mg Viagra about 2 hours before taking .02 - .04 ml Trimix with very good results. I found that anything over .05 ml Trimix was too much. Taking such a small amount of Trimix requires stimulation to get an erection but once it comes up it stays very usable for about 1 1/2 hours. Using more than .05 ml Trimix caused a spontaneous erection that hurts and stayed up too long.

Good luck...

Jim
Posted 2/5/2008 8:27 PM (GMT 0)

Good questions... First, it won't cause your rehab to slow down if you skip the Viagra the night you use the Trimix.  I can't answer as to the safety of using a high 100mg dose of Viagra with Trimix though.

However, to save another trip to the ER, consider getting the brand name Sudafed from the drugstore.  No generics, get the real stuff.  If you have a problem with it not going down again, at the 3 or 3 1/2 hr. time, take 2 or 4 of them.  This is the recommended home treatment that most docs give their patients as a first step to reduce the erection.  They worked for me the time I needed them. 

Posted 2/6/2008 1:22 AM (GMT 0)
I concur wholeheartdly with Biker90 and James C.  I too have been there with five hour erections and don't like them.  My Trimix is now locked in at 0.045cc to 0.05cc the best I can judge and no more. No Viagre or any other aids.  Relax, don't anticipate and just slowly stimulate, agressive stimulation is not required.....enjoy.  It will perform the way you want it to.  Abouit 1-1/2 hours, usual duration, is ample.
Posted 2/7/2008 2:54 PM (GMT 0)
James C.

I've also read that Sudafed works for priapism.  I'm just wondering which kind of Sudafed to buy.  In the state of Michigan, there are two kinds offered: Sudafed containing pseudoephedrine and Sudafed PE containing phenylephrine.  Do you know which kind works best?

Posted 2/7/2008 3:22 PM (GMT 0)
I don't have the answer other than to guess that the regular Sudafed with pseudoephedrine is the best choice.  The other Sudafed PE is manufactured as as replacement for the first, since the first is a basic ingredient in manufacturing crystal meth and has been regulated by most states now.  I have to show id and sign at the Pharmacists counter for the regular Sudafed but can get the Sudafed PE over the counter without any signing, in my state.  This tells me that the original regular Sudafed is the strongest and the one that has been suggested for years now for treatment of priapism.  Hospital or Doctors office irrigation with pseudoephedrine is usually what you would get in a medical setting, so that makes sense, right?  lol

Posted 2/7/2008 11:17 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks Guys.. Sounds like too much TriMix. I did take 4 Sudafed and they wanted to give me one at the ER. Think I will try 50 mg Viagra and 1000 L Arginine daily and .04 TriMix "when needed" and see how things go. This was my second OD out of 3 injections. The first was the Urologist fault (he gave me .75 cc) and this one was my fault. I just got too aggressive.
Posted 2/8/2008 3:18 AM (GMT 0)

ARe you sure he gave you .75cc???

It seems to me that all the syringes I see are .5 cc.  .75 cc would either be one very large syringe!  Not saying that he didn't, just saying that it is hard to imagine him doing so.

Posted 2/8/2008 1:57 PM (GMT 0)
Depends on the supplier.  My current syringes are 1.0 cc, I do have a few .5 cc from my first round of it.  As to dose, it does sound large, but I finally zeroed in on .5mL/cc of Bimix.

James C.

Posted 2/8/2008 5:12 PM (GMT 0)

Respones to naimnut

.75 cc is correct.  The syringes were 1 cc or 100 units.  I questioned the urologist about the amount becauses I had ask for and injection of .10, but needless to say I was back in his office at the 4 hour mark.  It took two shots of the antidote and draining some of the blood tho correct the issue.  Doctors aren't alway right!!

Posted 2/12/2008 5:22 AM (GMT 0)
i was also told about sudafed by my ed dr. he said to even start taking it an hour after "kick off". he also said that it's OK to under dose slightly if you don't need or want the full effect for a night. the benefit of the trimix will still be there without the long night. i've had mixed results. i have had 8 and 10 hour painful erections. i won't go to the er for this figuring in the 4-5 hours waiting to be seen, things will resolve itself. i was also having inconsistent results with trimix. the dr adjusted my technique, by pulling the tip harder to expose more stretched flesh, the injections and the results have been more consistent, there still some variation, but much less. other than the discomfort, is there real damage that can be done with those long time erections? i've asked my dr about letting me have the antidote to inject myself if i get into that situation. he said no. i understand the possibility of abuse of the trimix. can anyone shed some light on this for me. what is the "antidote injection"? and why can't we have some to help ourselves? i was also tod to not have the viagra and trimix in the same sitting. seems some of you are doing that. may i ask why? is that a better regimen (other that the crazy painful nights).
mark
mark
Posted 2/12/2008 5:37 AM (GMT 0)
Hey Mark,

By using Viagra a couple of hours before Trimix, I only use .02 - .04 cc of Trimix. I see you use only .06 cc with good results. My doc started me on .10 cc and it hurt and lasted too long so I cut it down till it stopped hurting and lasted only about 1 1/2 hours.

We all are at different stages of erectile recovery and probably have very different resutls. The doctors probably don't use the injections themselves so only have the drug maker's recommendations to go by. We have to find our own way in this journey. That is why this forum is so valuable. I'd have been lost without Swim and the guys here to guide me through the maze...

Jim
Posted 2/12/2008 4:09 PM (GMT 0)
Biker90 says:

"We all are at different stages of erectile recovery and probably have very different resutls. The doctors probably don't use the injections themselves so only have the drug maker's recommendations to go by. We have to find our own way in this journey"

How true.  I started with the 'suggested' dose of 10mcg/.25cc of 20mcg Caverject, with a 4 hour erection that really hurt.  I started again at 5mcg(.125cc) , then moved to 40mcg strength Caverject powder at .18cc, .2cc, .3cc, .4cc all with none of the erection response of the .5cc dose, but still the aching and pain.  Switching to Bimix and reading what you guys were using here, I started with .1cc, thinking it was probably too much, and discovered it wasn't enough, then progessively went to .15, .25, .3, .4, and finally .5mL or .5cc which seems to be the dose that works for me.  Even then, maybe .55 would make things a litle firmer.  It takes about 30 minutes to reach full effect, and lasts about 2 1/2 hrs, again times that are more than other guys here, but its what works for me.  A lot more than most others here, but that's what it takes for me.  Which shows how individualized each guy is in what it takes to get things working at optimum....

Posted 6/23/2009 9:07 PM (GMT 0)
You guys are a wealth of info. At my 9 month fisit I am going to discuss incections with the Dr. I am reading your post with great interest. Thanks
Posted 9/15/2009 1:41 AM (GMT 0)
Very tricky as we are all different. I will use 20mg Cialis and use only .03ml Tri-mix. This is good for 1-2hrs. NO pain at all. The L'arginine, yes 500 to 1000mg (1gm). Gives you a good blood flow. Bloos flow, valves closing, and chambers filling the 95% normal erection is enroute. My last encounter was the Cialis and no time for the injection. The trimix does work in a rehab mode where nerves wake up and more blood flow and erections just about at will.
Posted 9/15/2009 8:15 PM (GMT 0)
When purchasing Arginine, note that there are 3 different compounds

L-Arginine HCL
ethyl esther HCL Arginine AEE
AKG Arginine (Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate)

The last 2 have far greater absorption capabilities when passing through the intestines and would be the logical choice if taking one along with a Viagra or other ED oral drug where you need as much NO as possible available in a very short period of time
Posted 9/30/2009 12:39 AM (GMT 0)
Thanks for the info. It seems that less and less of Tri-mix is req'd. At present .02ml does it WITH cialis or levitra. My question?? Does the recovery stage set in at some point? I did read of studies indicating the Trimix will cause many areas to begin working on their own.
Posted 7/10/2010 2:29 AM (GMT 0)
I am new here and am really surprised to hear the low doses being used. I thought I had one cc syringes and used about half cc. my response has not been that great and I am considering using viagra and trimix- looking for comments...

Len
Posted 7/13/2010 1:58 AM (GMT 0)
I injected a couple of weeks ago with .10 cc trimix and had a 4 1/2 erection. Took 2 sudafed after 2 hours as it was a little difficult walking around outside with my flag at half staff. This past Saturday, I injected just .05cc and it gave me a 2 hr 10 min. very nice erection. After orgasming at the 2 hour or so mark, the thing went down like the Hindenburg at Lakehurst. So I think I have found my ideal amount now. (BTW, I didn't have sex for 2 hours, lots of foreplay, satisfying my girlfried, etc., all total a little over 2 hours).

 

Posted 7/13/2010 7:39 AM (GMT 0)
Hi Len,

It is critical to the success of the injection therapy that you constrict the blood flow out of the penis, this allows the medication to be properly absorbed into both chambers.

Viagra works against the Trimix as Viagra increases blood flow to the penis, hence it works to flush out the Trimix faster. They work against each other. More blood flow works to remove the medication and reduce the erection time and hinder it working in the first place
Posted 7/14/2010 12:24 AM (GMT 0)
This site, healing well.com, has been very helpful in dealing with my ED, it educated me on trimix, which my doctor also endorsed. Then reading the many posts I realized the dose most Dr's provide was around .1 and it seemed to cause erections that lasted too long. I tried .03 without any other drug and it was great, an hour of solid fun. The .03 looks like such a small amount, it's amazing it provides the effect that it does and no surprise that it seems like one should need more since it hardly registers on the scale of the syringe. And yes I'm hoping that overtime it will cease to be of need, but in the meantime I would call it a miracle drug.
Posted 8/28/2010 11:02 PM (GMT 0)
I've been reading the material and experiences with Tri-mix. I don't have a problem with my prostate but, since this zero's in on ED and Tri-mix its close enough. I do have regular checkups and was referred to the Urologist by my PCP for ED. I had little to no success with the oral medications to combat ED. The Urologist offered options with one of the being Tri-mix which I op'ted for. A .2 produced results but obviously not enough. After the instructional and confirmation of my capability to administer I was given the information on amount I can deliver up to. I do have a medical background so I'm no stranger to medications and dosing. What I found for me was that I get no additional effect beyond .5 plus the pressure inside the cavernosa is more obvious with the additional volume with what I would describe as a prevalent ache. Some of the issues I had not heard before and read here was after the injection to restrict venous return to better enable the Tri-mix to work both cavernosa. The Urologist did ask me if I wanted to use oral meds with the Tri-mix and I said no, so the implication of his question is that it is ok to do so. I have discovered as I said that the quality of erection with the Tri-mix is I would estimate to be about 65% of what I was naturally. A loss of girth as well as about 2 inches less...might that be due to inadequate absorbsion?

Any suggestions on specifics to improve these issues would be greatly appreciated
Posted 8/29/2010 12:58 PM (GMT 0)
Gp, sorry you have had no responses so far. If you are following the plump and prick method of getting a manual 30% or so erection, then constricting the flow out with your fingers or a penis ring, injecting into the cavity and gently massaging for 3 minutes or so, then there's not much else I can suggest except to carefully review how you are injecting, maybe use a longer or shorter needle, for better placement, if that is a problem, and asking the doc to increase the strength of the alprostadil some, if you aren't using a 30/1/20 ratio mix. Sorry I can't add much beyond what you already know. I would suggest you look over in
www.franktalk.org. Those guys are more ED oriented, rather than PCa oriented as here.
Posted 8/29/2010 3:02 PM (GMT 0)
Thank you James
Posted 8/29/2010 3:17 PM (GMT 0)
There is definitely a difference with needle length. I was using 5/16 inch at first but had to go to 1/2 inch in length after a few months. The 5/16 inch needles never seemed to get the Trimix in deep enough.

Btw, Edex comes standard with 1/2 inch needles in their syringe kit. The gauge was the same for either needle, just longer.

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