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Posted 5/4/2010 4:25 PM (GMT 0)
Now that RARP surgery is done (3/12) one of my next steps is to address ED issues. My uro prescribes Cialis and has suggested using the pump for a time. My question: I was in Argentina with a friend last winter. He regularily buys and uses a generic of Viagra. It is very inexpensive (a fraction of the cost of Cialis or Viagra) and readily available over the counter in Argentina. I am curious if anyone has used generics for Cialis, Viagra of any other drug while going through ED therapy after prostatectomy? Thanks!
Posted 5/4/2010 4:47 PM (GMT 0)
im using generic viagra ("manly')from alldaychemist.com   they have specials where pre shipping cost is about 58 cents per pill

many guys here use that site

Posted 5/4/2010 4:49 PM (GMT 0)
www.northdrugmart.com
Equivalent of Viagra called SILAGRA. I have over a years supply PLUS @ .25 MG/ DAY for $238.00. Been using it for a couple of months now and the effects are identical. The lab is in India and it's shipped here from Germany. I would bet they offer a substitute for Cialis as well.
Posted 5/4/2010 6:06 PM (GMT 0)
Hey Lax..........ditto here on "Manly" from Alldaychemist

Easy ordering online via credit card, and shipment and,  at least on the east coast, was only 9  days from order to doorstep (Two separate orders)...........so check it out and order the appropraite quantity for your needs. Many guys have used/ordered it w/o problwms...........and, it works for me!

Arnie in DE

Posted 5/4/2010 10:52 PM (GMT 0)
I don't have PC, but I have used Viagra, as well as Silagra, Caverta and Manly from ADC. I bought 1 order of Manly and 2 orders of Silagra. The Manly is relatively weak - less than 1/2 the strength of Viagra, while the Silagra works exactly the same as Viagra. 1/4 of a Silagra or Viagra is stronger than 1/2 of a Manly. Caverta takes longer to take effect, but lasts about 12 hours. It must be slow release. My favorites are Viagra and Silagra.
Posted 5/4/2010 11:50 PM (GMT 0)

I started with generic Viagra from all-day-chemists. I had some problems (that were probably not due to the viagra, but not sure) so I switched to generic levitra from the same place.

No problems. Not sure that it is doing anything. I take 1/2 pill (10 mg) for blood flow/healing.

Mel

Posted 5/5/2010 12:53 AM (GMT 0)
I use Silagra (a Viagra generic) from India, purchased on line from Jandrugs. For the first 6 months tried brand name Cialis 20 mg, then the generic version, taladafil. Neither worked as well for me. With Silagra 100 mg, things work as well as before surgery. Have to take it on an empty stomach, lasts about 12 to 18 hours, but peak effect is at about 1-2 hours.
Posted 5/5/2010 10:02 AM (GMT 0)
I also had mixed results with Manly. I can feel the difference with real Viagra or generic Silagra. With either Viagra or Silagra I can feel the stuff nose side effect soon after taking as well as more of a usaable erection

As most things in life the cheaper brand gets you cheaper results, buy 100 get 100 free means you still get 100 dosages you just have to take 200 mg to get the effects of 100mg of the ones costing more
Posted 5/5/2010 1:38 PM (GMT 0)
I thought the Sildenafil was the generic for the Viagra.  Is this the "manly"? and Silagra the generic for Viagra?  Also, I see at alldaychemist the generic Cialis taladafil is not for the US--is that true at the other pharmacys?  We are still trying to see what's best for us.

Thanks!!

CareBear

Posted 5/5/2010 2:14 PM (GMT 0)
Manly, Silagra, Caverta and others are made in India and are generic forms of Viagra. They are not really legal in the US because they violate the US patent that Phizer holds for Viagra. They are legal to be produced in India because of India's different patent laws. For me, Silagra is the only one of the 3 that is identical to Viagra in how it works for me. Manly is weak and Caverta seems to be slow release. However, my new Medicare drug plan makes Viagra less expensive than Silagra, so I doubt I will order it again unless the plan changes.

The generic form of Cialis cannot be exported to the US because the patent for Cialis is stronger than the patent for Viagra and Levitra. It is legal to ship generic Viagra and Levitra from India to the US, but it is not for generic Cialis. It is not legal on this end to buy them, but customs turns their heads to the fact most of the time. Since they are not controlled substances like narcotic drugs, I don't think that customs wants to be bothered.
Posted 5/5/2010 4:17 PM (GMT 0)
I like generic levitra, viagra also works but seem to get more side effects, cialis did not do much and is too expensive
Posted 5/5/2010 5:38 PM (GMT 0)
They gave me a generic for Viagra, It did not work. Neither does Viagra. I'am T4n1
Posted 5/5/2010 7:39 PM (GMT 0)
CareBear-
Great PSA score! I will get my initial reading on June7. I believe that Sildenafil is the generic for the Viagra. One can purchase a product called "Magnus" in Argentina and label indicates it is Sildenafil. I have a close friend who uses it often with great results. I am not convinced that the adage "you get what you pay for" applies to generics. A Viagra pill which is Sildenafil should not be any more effective than a "Magnus" pill which is Sildenafil. The difference is the patent protection, which leads to increased cost. These pills are very inexpensive in Argentina. I suppose each of us must try different drugs to find out which is most effective.
Posted 5/5/2010 8:20 PM (GMT 0)
If it is sildenafil citrate and the correct strength then it should be the same as brand name Viagra. However, there is nothing that guarantees that any uncontrolled generic is the proper formula or the proper strength. If there is no government agency or other controlling organization controlling the manufacture of the drug, then there is no guarantee that if is what it says it is. One example is Manly. Manly at the advertised strength does not work the same as the more expensive Viagra generics. Manly costs about 1/4 of what Silagra or Caverta cost, but is less than 1/2 the strength of Silagra or Caverta. Even though Caverta seems to be the correct strength, it takes longer to work and the effects last longer than Viagra or Silagra for me. So in the instance of these generics, my opinion is that you get what you pay for. Silagra and Caverta are produced by known drug companies that are approved sources of various generic drugs. If the company that produces Magnus is a legitimate generic drug company then it is more likely that it is the proper drug and the proper strength. However, Manly is produced by a real generic drug company and is obviously not the proper strength, although it works the same as Viagra for me if I take 2 to 4 times the advertised dose that I normally need for Viagra. You do get what you pay for sometimes.
Posted 5/5/2010 11:41 PM (GMT 0)

TheOldFart said...
... my opinion is that you get what you pay for...

Definitely not my opinion.  I cannot tell the difference between Cialis and the generic version I use, Ceebis.  I don't recall the price difference...I think it's greater than 10X.

Posted 5/6/2010 12:20 AM (GMT 0)
Wow Casey59, you are an expert at taking something out of context. You must be a politician. :) My entire statement was "So in the instance of these generics, my opinion is that you get what you pay for.' If you read what I said, I was comparing the 50 cent and weak Manly to the 2 dollar Silagra and Caverta. I was not comparing Silagra to Viagra or your generic Cialis to the brand Cialis. I still stand by my statement and it is completely true from my experience with those generics. I also cannot tell the difference between the 2 dollar Silagra and the 16 dollar Viagra, which I also stated if you would read it.
Posted 5/6/2010 4:17 AM (GMT 0)
Be careful about buying drugs over the internet. Most have been found to be fake and manufactured under poorly controlled circumstances or purposely have the wrong ingredients. That's why there's a real issue regarding drug reimportation. Many internet purchased drugs have been found to have too much, too little, or no active ingredient. They've also been found to have dangerous ingredients. The cynics will of course say it's a drug industry conspiracy. But I'd say, just be careful and do your research. For instance, Google "fake internet drugs" and see what you get. There've been several analyses of internet drugs.

The FDA posted some helpful hints on choosing a site that might be trustworthy, as well as signs of one that's not. If there's been good experience by some of our members, then it might be a good idea to stick with those sites.

http://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/ConsumerUpdates/ucm048396.htm

Bill

Posted 5/6/2010 10:42 AM (GMT 0)
Hi Drums,

Great post, I myself will only buy Generics that I know have the Mfr name listed

One that I have found to work the best is SILAGRA which is manufactured by Cipla a very large drug company in India. They have been approved by the FDA.

Some of the other Generic Viagras had no Mfr name at all on the packaging, perhaps thats why they were ineffective. If a company stood behind what they made you would think they would list who they were on the packaging

www.cipla.com/globalpresence/globalpresence.htm
Posted 5/6/2010 10:50 AM (GMT 0)
If you really want to stick to the real, name brand drugs, there is a site www.edguider.com which is where they have approved online pharmacies. You may be able to get drugs cheaper there than off the shelf at your local pharmacy.
Paul
Posted 5/6/2010 12:16 PM (GMT 0)
Great info here, thanks--got some researching to do
CareBear
Posted 5/6/2010 2:12 PM (GMT 0)
OldFart, how do you determine that Manly is 1/2 or less the strength of the others, etc.? That it is obviously not the proper strength? What testing data or source do you use to arrive at this statement? I ,for one, have been using the Manly for 3 years, mixed with Viagra as a control and have never found that there is any 'noticable' difference in strength. So I wonder by what criteria or data source you make the statement that it and others are diluted or false drugs? Manly is manufactured by Cooper Pharma, LTD, a large and established, well recognized drug manufacturer in India, and is certified to the same worldwide drug manufacturing standards as Silgara and others that you do acknowledge as legit. Google Cooper Pharma Ltd. and read about them and their approved manufacturing methods, including meeting G.M.P rules for W.H.O certification and ISO 9001:2000 Certification. They aren't fly by the night fakes by any means.
Posted 5/6/2010 7:52 PM (GMT 0)
Hi JAmes,

Looking at the Cooper Pharma, LTD website under their manufactured products, they do not have a category for Erectile Dysfunction, nor do they list a product called Manly or any of the 3 generic ED equivalents.

Perhaps it is someone else who makes Manly ?
Posted 5/6/2010 9:02 PM (GMT 0)
Hmm, my blister pack of 20 Manly pills, containing 100 mg of sildenafil citrate, has printed on it: manufactured in India by Cooper Pharma, Delhi, India. manufactured July, 2007, expires Sept., 2012. Why it isn't listed on their website I can't answer.. smilewinkgrin
Posted 5/6/2010 9:13 PM (GMT 0)

Ceebis (Cialis substitute) is also from Cooper.  Good stuff!!

.

Post Edited (Casey59) : 5/6/2010 8:56:15 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 5/6/2010 9:23 PM (GMT 0)
Maybe they are out of that business, most of the products they now produce seem based on acetaminophen , Aspirin , Ibuprofen or Paraceaemol ( which is acetaminophen) , cough syrups and multi-vitamins

In short it looks like they produce primarily OTC drugs now.

Maybe they contracted with ADC to product their ED products and private labeled them as Manly. If that is the case then no-one else would sell Manly. Its unlikely that a drug company makes a product name and only sells it through one website

I would wonder why a drug company makes a product based on Sildenafil citrate but chooses not to list it as one of their products.
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