Well done red meat= prostate cancer

It is interesting. I used to eat a lot of barbequed steaks and burgers. (I still miss them.) There's an old joke about heart disease that's been modified to prostate cancer where they compare how other countries drink more, eat more fat, and so on and the punch line is "Speaking English must be what gives you heart disease/prostate cancer." Well one thing that English speaking countries do tend to do more than other countries is cook their meat well done. That all being said, I'll be the first to admit that linking foods to cancer is a very imprecise science.

Here is a link for those interested. The video at the end gives tips on how to lower the risk if you barbeque.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/24/well-done-red-meat-prostate-cancer_n_1111037.html

Im safe...I eat all mine medium rare...LOL

If you were to start a list of the potential causes of cancer, or even more particular, prostate cancer, you would soon eliminate so many items from your life, including chemical laced drinking water and dirty air, that you would find it difficult to live.

The next problem is that by the time we can read about these studies, at 7 or 8 years old, we have already caused irreparable harm to our bodies.

If it is true that 1 out of 6 men will get prostate cancer, does it really stand to reason that only 1 out of 6 men eat well cooked red meat, or whatever the causative agent the study may reference ?

I believe heredity, chance, and of course to some degree our lifestyles all play a roll. But I am not living the rest of my life flogging myself, and eating carrot and celery sticks, washed down with pomegranate juice.

I am dealing with the problem and continuing to live.

Goodlife

Humans have been eating barbecued red meat for about 4 million years... They ALL died of something..Everything in moderation...

There have been plenty of studies that too much red meat is not good for you whether it's over cooked or not. They can't all be wrong. And I have over the years reduced my intake of red meat.
I guess the key to survival if eating red emat is to adopt a lion's lifstyle. I shall thus restrict myself to eating red meat, having plenty of sleep and letting the lionesses look after everything else.!!!

Mind you maybe lions get prostate cancer it's just that nobody can perform a DRE on a lion to find out much.

Alf

It’s really quite simple. Some foods reduce an individual’s chances of developing prostate cancer (PC), diminish the risk of PC recurrence, and inhibit PC progression…they fight cancer; they are “ anti-cancer ” foods. Red meat, on the other hand, is one of the foods that has been shown to increase PC risk...it feeds your PC.   In fact, a diet full of fatty red meat can set the stage for a host of health problems, including obesity, heart disease, other cancers besides (in addition to) PC.   [Yes, very well done/chargrilled meats provide you with an even greater risk of PC/progression.]   It seems to me that no one in the world would be more motivated to seek out an anti-cancer regimen than a cancer survivor who wants to be sure he remains a survivor.  My loving & supportive family provides me with the motivation I need...what's your motivation?

p_elliott said... I agree with a few others on here I've done my damage, it's too late now. I'm going to drink my bourbon and eat my steaks if nothing else I will enjoy my life. I'm sorry to read about your sense of helplessness .  We know we can't cheat death but we can improve the quality of our life. We should focus on taking steps that will have most positive impact on improving our health. The most important steps we can take are neither difficult nor costly. The main thing is to focus on things within our control. improving our health. In another thread, someone else said that he was going to paste the Prostate Cancer Foundation's definition of a thriver on his bathroom mirror so he could be reminded of it every day.  The definition reads: Definition of Thrivership ( Prostate Cancer Foundation ):   -- The diagnosis of prostate cancer can lead you in one of two directions. Some will react to this diagnosis with a sense of resignation and fatalism.   This view can lead to helplessness — waiting for the other shoe of cancer recurrence or progression to drop.  On the other hand, thrivership puts you in the driver’s seat — making you as vital to your care and treatment as any doctor or nurse. You may have had prostate cancer, but now you are in charge of your life, adopting new healthy habits and enjoying each day to its fullest . I tell my son who is out-of-state at college that every day you make decisions, some large and some small, that will affect you later in life.  The reality is that this continues far into adulthood...

Honestly, I find a lot of these food claims somewhat dubious. Coffee seems to have a new benefit or warning every year or so, making it good one year and a killer the next. I think genetics plays a greater role. Nevertheless, I do take vitamins and herbs and have for a long time. I still got PCa, tho. I remember reading something years ago about diet and cancer, the gist was, "...even vegetarians get cancer." I think the greater concern is what's in the meat, red or otherwise, that we eat. I have gone to an organic diet and refuse to eat anything with any kind of hormone or antibiotic additive anymore. That's been for the past year.

I can't say that I feel any different, but I believe it to be the correct decision. Why? Lyle Alzado... remember him? Took HGH trying to make a comeback in his 40's. It's widely believed that the HGH triggered the tumor that killed him to grow at an exponentially faster rate with all that additional HGH in his body. This is a tumor that may have killed him, but under normal circumstances probably not until much later in his life. Maybe I'm being ridiculous, but that was enough to scare me away from any of those kinds of supplements... and eventually led me to the organic food decision. Maybe I'm wrong, but it makes sense to me...

I drink my morning coffee, have a beer or bourbon with dinner, and still have the monthly steak on the grill. If I was told I MUST give it all up, I would... mostly.

goodlife, the comment "I've done my damage, it's too late now" is a sense of resignation, fatalism and helplessness. I am indeed sorry to read of such helplessness. With a bit of motivation, one can take steps forward...but as I have taught my son, these are individual decisions we make every day. What we eat and how we treat our bodies on a daily basis have a very powerful effect on our health and quality of life...but don't just take my word; this is what patients involved in diet/exercise medical studies report.

Casey's remark here offended me here as well. In recent posts and threads of his, he has assigned terms of "ignorance", "naive", and now this "helplessness" toward anyone that doesn't do or follow his teachings, assumptions, or advice. I find it very unbecoming and extremely condenscending to other members here, myself included.

We have to "live and let live". We can feel free to give advice, warraned or unwarranted, but that is no excuse to insult or put down a fellow member. All of our opinions here are equal in my mind, and there's not a one of us that is medically qualified to be dogmatic, let alone judgemental of others here.

Quality of life issues are very personal, and very subjective, and there is no absolute right or wrong.

David in SC