Some good supplement warnings from Yahoo news tonight

montee, was that the line from the movie "war games" per chance. that's what came to my rusty memory.

montee, was that the line from the movie "war games" per chance. that's what came to my rusty memory.

Yes sir

We need to start a light thread of "your favorite movie quotes"

CANT WE ALL JUST GET ALONG. You guys banter like a bunch of old hens. My gosh. I cant come on this site anymore without seeing arguments and locked threads. Good grief. Live and let live.

Funny post, Tud!!

Mel

Paul, interesting and helpful post, thank you!

You reminded me it that "E" was one of the things we took for quite awhile and then, as I recall, further studies indicated it might actually be harmful. Pffft! It was gone.

Thank God similar reseach hasn't been done on rum. At least when mixed with fresh lime and coke. I am a huge believer in the efficacy of this natural sugar cane supplement. This evening I have taken a double dose, what with it being a day of the week that ends with 'day.' While this regimen did not keep me from getting PCa in the first place --- I confess when I was younger I missed many days --- a stricter adherence to sousing in accordance with protocol, which I have followed since my Dx, has proven results: my PSA three years after evisceration remains undetectable! Others have had good results with POM, which, granted, has (as Paul noted) some better evidence of success with PSA than rum --- but I put this down to the aggressive marketing of the POM lobby compared to the laid back 'island efforts' of the Caribbean distillers. I mean no disrespect to those of the Caribbean persuasion. My wife's passport lists "Bridgetown Barbados" as her birthplace and if 46 years of wedded bliss have taught me nothing else it is to be respectful of those who identify as island people --- especially those who identify as island women.

Sorry --- gotta go, my glass is getting low ....

Sheldon AKA Sleepless

Sheldon.

I came accross some really nice rums in Caracas. I think it was Santa Teresa, who makes a common edition, but did a very limited special one in the late 80's. You could still find them in the early 90's for about 600 Bolivars (at the time, 20 bucks US, but 300 day's metro tickets to work for the average worker). Found three bottles over a five year stay. I had forgotten that I still had about a half bottle from 20 years ago. Guess I'll have to see if it is still any good.

I'm not sure if it slowed or hastened my PCa, but the fact that I drank them really hacked off a collector in Italy who wanted to buy one of them. 

I don’t give recommendations to others; instead, what I do is to share my experience, and share knowledge gained through following the writings of many of the world’s leading experts on prostate cancer.   For example, this past winter I posted this quote:   Casey59 said...     What most doctors recommend, and what I personally try to follow, is to use supplements as supplements .   Try hard to eat an intelligent, colorful diet.   Reduce or eliminate animal fats (fatty red meats and high-fat diary, which both stimulate prostate cancer growth).   Avoid transfats.   Use olive oil instead of corn or canola oil.   Increase fresh fish intake (avoid fried fish).   Enjoy tomato products (high in lyc opene), which includes pizza souce, tomato paste and ketchup.   Increase fresh fruit, herb and vegetable consumption…think “color.”   And lastly, enjoy a glass or red wine daily, or grape juice, or pomegranate juice.   Jim (Tudpock) seemed to think I take a lot of supplements.   I’ve posted my own supplement usage here before.   This is what I take (listed below)…does this seem like “morning, noon and night?”  I'll check back in a few days and see what you think...   * My own supplement usage: 1.     Glucosamine – for constant pain from osteoarthritis; I have had 3 knee reconstructions, two of which were in the 1980s…‘nuff said.   After my 3 rd reconstruction about 10 years ago, I asked my orthopedic surgeon (also an athlete when he went thru Yale, now suffering with similar osteoarthritis), and he also takes glucosamine. 2.     Fish oil – to help improve the balance of Omega 3/Omega 6 oils which have shifted dramatically in the western diet with the advent of “factory farms”; also at the suggestion of my internist. 3.     Vtamin D3 – I phased-out of multi-vitamins a while ago, and now take Vit-D only. 4.     Pomegranate extract – for the obvious reasons, although I do not have recurring PC.   I also drink red wine several nights a week, and I usually keep a stash of Welch’s concord grape juice in my desk at work and drink one for lunch.   On days when I have wine or grape juice, I skip the pom supplement the next morning. 5.     Niacin (which is actually a Vitamin B derivative) – as a result of my most recent annual physical exam, my internist commented on medication as a means of improving my perpetually nominal triglycerides, but pointed out that over-the-counter niacin would do the same thing and gave his blessing to see over the next year if it had an impact on my numbers.   (My total cholesterol is good, but I’d like to raise my “good” cholesterol, and improve the ratio.)   Post Edited (Casey59) : 8/10/2012 11:56:13 PM (GMT-6)

Jim, this thread wasn't meant to be hi-jacked by a few (not talking about you) or go in the direction that it did. Wasn't my intention when I started it. I thought some new folks would like to see that there are dangers in taking supplements, especially if you don't know what you are doing. It was that simple to me. Now its turned into a free-for-all. seems like many threads have become that lately.

david in sc

Oncas said...
This is one of those silly threads where everyone has a strong, predisposed personal bias which no amount of evidence can shake loose. It's the same mechanism that dictates our choice in hockey teams and presidential candidates.

DITTO

State your point one time and get out of the way

Mel,

You are incorrect. This was my thread, trying to show newcomers there are dangers associated with taking supplements on their own. This thread has been hi-jacked (to use the term) several times over.

David in SC

David:

Hmmmmm... David refers to an article to bolster his contention that supplements are dangerous. Supposedly, this is for the benefit of newcomers.

Others point out that studies seem to confer some benefits of supplements for PC. This gives a more complete picture for newcomers.

Assorted disagreements on that ensue.

Hence, thread was "hijacked."

I guess as long as everybody says thanks for the information, I agree with you, then the thread is not hijacked.

But the above is NOT my definition of "hijacked."

Each to his own.

Mel

 

Every forum needs a mosh pit. We found it. Let's shed the semantic sniper fire and pull it back together.
Our community is divided on the risk/reward value of supplements that have anecdotal support but lack clinical validation.
I think we all agree on that. Here's something else that we can agree on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=EadIvDAWkf8

Jim

Post Edited (Oncas) : 8/11/2012 9:36:24 PM (GMT-6)