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cwren
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Posted 6/25/2013 9:34 PM (GMT 0)
Several years ago, when I was around 40, I started having night sweats and hot flashes during the day. Even if it was a relatively cool day, I would overheat and start sweating like crazy. My family physician checked my testosterone, and it was a little low, so he put me on monthly testosterone shots. That fixed the problem. Now, however, since I've had prostate cancer, my family physician stopped the shots immediately, and now they are back with a vengeance.
Does anyone have any ideas on how to deal with it? I was a G6 with negative margins, would it be safe for me to try and get back on a testosterone supplement? I'm only 45, so I have to look 20+ years down the road.
Charles
davidg
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Posted 6/25/2013 9:42 PM (GMT 0)
Hey cwren, hope all else is good.
I think your question is the type that should really be answered by an oncologist who specializes in PCa.
I'll be curious to see what others here and eventually your docs say about
this.
cwren
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Posted 6/25/2013 9:48 PM (GMT 0)
I do need to talk to my urologist about
this because it's becoming a real quality of life issue for me, but I just wanted to run it by everyone here first. I was hoping someone has an alternative idea on how to deal with this. I should mention, also, that my sex drive is way down since I went off the testosterone shots.
Charles
cwren
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Posted 6/25/2013 9:49 PM (GMT 0)
If it IS truly low, is it really that bad to just bring it back up to normal? Wouldn't that just make me the same as someone who's had the same prognosis I have but have normal levels?
gold horse
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Posted 6/25/2013 9:55 PM (GMT 0)
Hi,I also have low T hormone.My doctor will not even talk about
T hormone until you are five years out of surgery.Thanks God it is my eight years of zeros.
In my opinion is it too early for the use of T hormone.
cwren
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Posted 6/25/2013 10:01 PM (GMT 0)
I'm pretty sure my dr. will say the same thing. I was just hoping that there is some kind of alternative to deal with this.
Charles
ralfinaz
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Posted 6/25/2013 11:10 PM (GMT 0)
Charles,
You do not mention your current PSA or your level of testosterone. There is probably not a very high risk to your T supplementation if your PSA is undetectable after surgery for low-risk PCa, although the risk cannot be totally ignored. Good monitoring is essential.
Understand that you need to consult a physician who has expertise in T supplementation as it is a for life commitment and requires keeping track of testosterone's metabolic products to prevent an excess of estradiol and/or DHT that can have a detrimental effects such gynecomastia,
RalphV
Fairwind
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Posted 6/25/2013 11:15 PM (GMT 0)
If your PSA drops to undetectable and stays there for lets say 3 years, then MAYBE it might be safe to boost your PSA..What is your PSA and "T" numbers now?
Tall Allen
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Posted 6/25/2013 11:38 PM (GMT 0)
Charles,
How low is your testosterone? Have you had it tested? Sometimes it drops after treatment but later returns to baseline levels.
Unfortunately it now seems that naturally low testosterone levels are a risk factor for prostate cancer. You would seem to be a case study for that. Because of this, some doctors believe that T should be supplemented starting at a younger age in hypogonadal men to
prevent
PC.
There have been a few pilot studies on TRT after RP that look promising. You can show these to your doctor and see if he will let you have it.
Testosterone Replacement Therapy in Patients with Prostate Cancer After Radical Prostatectomy.
LONG-TERM FOLLOW-UP OF THE SAFETY AND EFFICACY OF TESTOSTERONE REPLACEMENT THERAPY FOLLOWING RADICAL PROSTATECTOMY
Testosterone replacement therapy after primary treatment for prostate cancer.
Testosterone replacement for hypogonadism after treatment of early prostate cancer with brachytherapy
Purgatory
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Posted 6/25/2013 11:38 PM (GMT 0)
You ask a good question, but its one, in my opinion, should only be answered by a quality oncologist, even more so than your urologist (even if he's a great one). I see the benefits at your age, but also see the potential danger. Hope you can get a sound medical opinion, and a solution at the same time.
Good luck,
david
cwren
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Posted 6/25/2013 11:46 PM (GMT 0)
All,
I don't know my current T level. All I know is that 5 years or so ago, I was a "little" low. Guess I need to have it tested. For those who are asking, my last PSA (at approx. 10 mos. post surgery) was < .01.
Charles
Tall Allen
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Posted 6/25/2013 11:51 PM (GMT 0)
My doctor tracked my T at each PSA test after treatment. It took about
a year for it to rebound.
cwren
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Posted 6/25/2013 11:52 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks Tall Allen. Unfortunately, I was a little low beforehand. But I don't know how much. Rebounding might mean I'm still a little low.
Steven D
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Posted 6/26/2013 12:56 AM (GMT 0)
Tall Allen, thanks for those great links.
cwren
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Posted 6/26/2013 2:00 AM (GMT 0)
Tall Allen, That post is very encouraging to me, although it does seem to be focused on the relative short term (to me).
Devasted1
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Posted 6/26/2013 5:04 AM (GMT 0)
Let me give you my opinion or better said what I am going to do. Next month is the last month for HT and I am told it takes a few more months before it gets out of your system. Since I am a G9, lymph node invasion yadayada, I am done with filling so tired and meeting with my oncologiist to start replacement therapy. I am well aware of what I am doing and by doing so, probably will speed up my demise, but I want to have energy and feel good before I have get through the final progressions of stage 4.
So maybe I shorten life by a month, six months or whatever, I can say that I felt much better for the end journey and was able to travel, hike, fish, etc. So for me, Full steam ahead come July for the Testosterone Bus ride.
Good luck to you in your decision.
Purgatory
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Posted 6/26/2013 5:22 AM (GMT 0)
Devasted, I fully support your personal decision, it's all about
the "Quality of Life" facet in my life, I no longer am going for the 'Quantity of Life". Each person has to come to that decision on their own terms. It's your life, your choice. And I respect that, as I would want others to respect my decision.
david in sc
Tall Allen
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Posted 6/26/2013 5:58 AM (GMT 0)
Devasted1,
You are at the forefront of Bipolar Androgen Therapy that many think will actually(hopefully!) lengthen survival rather than shorten it. If you haven't seen it, you may be interested in this thread:
www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=35&m=2738368
I'm also impressed that you are setting your own terms and making your own decisions rather than letting others dictate that to you.
- Allen
See Land
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Posted 7/10/2013 10:42 AM (GMT 0)
My husband got approval from his radiation oncologist at UCSF and his urologist at university of colorado health science center to take supplemental testosterone after he went through IMRT and high dose rate brachytherapy and completion of two years of ADT. The theory is that the threshold level of testosterone that may affect prostate cancer is very low. Testosterone levels above that threshold do not further increase risk. My husband is 69. Dx 4 years ago with Gleason 10 T3a no mets PSA 17. His PSA stayed undetectable while on ADT. It has been gradually rising as expected after going off ADT but is still below 2 which would be considered biochemical failure. He has enjoyed the benefits of a T level, which has remained in normal range despite deciding on his own to stop supplemental testosterone.
PeterDisAbelard.
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Posted 7/10/2013 12:17 PM (GMT 0)
See Land:
Welcome to the forum. Sorry you need to be here but glad you found us.
I've started a new thread for you so folks can say hello.
It is here:
www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=35&m=2788540
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