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Posted 11/14/2013 3:55 PM (GMT 0)
Hello all,

My Dad was diagnosed with stage 4 prostate cancer which had been spread to his bone last December.  After the initial shock of the diagnosis he asked his doctor at the Mayo Clinic this question.  "If i were your father would you have me do chemo or radiation?"  His doctor sat silent for 30 seconds staring at the floor.  He looked up at my father and said "I would not.  The cancer has spread to your bones and therefore we would have to give you such a high dose of chemo that you will feel miserable during the treatments.  At this point I would go for quality of life over quantity of life".  So my father followed his advice.  Upon hearing of my fathers diagnois a longtime friend of my fathers called him and told my father that he too also had  lung cancer.  He sent my father some info on a diet he was going to try.  The diets main goal is to change your body from an acid to an alkaline.  Cancer cells cannot survive in an alkaline state.  My father told me about this diet and as we were discussing it I said "What do you have to lose.  If you dont try it I will kick your butt."  I was obviously joking on the butt kicking part, but my father has since told me that he used that phrase as motivation during this whole process.  Well my father decided to try the diet.  The diet was not a pleasant diet.  I quite honestly dont know if i could have done it but he did it for about nine months.  He did cheat on a few occassions but i couldnt blame him.  Well he went back to the Mayo Clinic and had new tests and scans.  The cancer spots on his hips and pelvis are gone.  His PSA level was undetectable.  Needless to say it was one of the best days of my life.  Let me add that during this process the only medical thing my father was given was a injection of Lupron every three months.  Im not here to tell anyone what to do or to not take chemo or radiation.  I am just here letting you all know what has happend in the case of my father.  Use this information if you want or disregard it.  I myself was skeptical that something as simple as a diet can cure cancer but in my fathers case it appears to have done just that.  I have absolutely nothing to gain from this post other than it may help some other son have many more years with his father.  Peace to you all. 

Posted 11/14/2013 4:26 PM (GMT 0)
Thats a great story of hope and faith, but to give you another side of it. Lupron will rid a person of bone mets, unless they are hormone resistant. Your father could be one of those who just responded well to the HT { lupron}. Not to take your hope and faith away. but like the blind man said,paraphrased. " who cares, I was blind and now I see" I respectfully submit your father may not be "cured" and is in remission. I will say the same about myself. I have a little faith myself,you really don't need a lot. But I honestly believe I am " cured" and live like it and you should do the same, as you are. How old is your father ,I may have missed it. If you decide to, you may want to give as much Info about your fathers disease do get additional points of view from the forum. Look at the posts at the bottom for an idea as what to post. Welcome Kid42
Posted 11/14/2013 5:31 PM (GMT 0)
Lupron is known for making PSA undetectable.

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Posted 11/14/2013 5:35 PM (GMT 0)
It was the Lupron. (OK....I'm 99.999% sure it was the lupron, but thats just my opinion).
That said, a green diet is a great thing, tell him to keep it up!
Posted 11/14/2013 6:09 PM (GMT 0)

logoslidat said...
Thats a great story of hope and faith, but to give you another side of it. Lupron will rid a person of bone mets, unless they are hormone resistant. Your father could be one of those who just responded well to the HT { lupron}. Not to take your hope and faith away. but like the blind man said,paraphrased. " who cares, I was blind and now I see" I respectfully submit your father may not be "cured" and is in remission. I will say the same about myself. I have a little faith myself,you really don't need a lot. But I honestly believe I am " cured" and live like it and you should do the same, as you are. How old is your father ,I may have missed it. If you decide to, you may want to give as much Info about your fathers disease do get additional points of view from the forum. Look at the posts at the bottom for an idea as what to post. Welcome Kid42

I can see Lupron resulting in the undetectable PSA, but bone Metastasis?
Posted 11/14/2013 6:24 PM (GMT 0)
the kid mentions lung cancer too. My mother has lung cancer with severe bone metastasis. No diet changes are going to make that go away.
Posted 11/14/2013 6:25 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks for your reply logoslidat. My dad is 72. I should have said it in my post but his friend who also did this same diet had his lung cancer disappear. According to my Dad who has been in contact with a people very knowledgeable on this diet there are 1000's of other people like my dad who have done this diet and had the same results.

From the Lupron Website "Lupron Depot suppresses the production of testosterone by the testicles. This deprives hormone-dependent prostate cancer cells of the hormone (ie, testosterone) they need to grow, causing their growth to slow." The Dr prescribed Lupron to slow the growth of the cancer. He never even once hinted at the fact it could potentially remove bone mets or cause the cancer to go into remission. Even after the new scans he never once tried to give credit to the Lupron as a possible reason for the great results. He was very interested in what my dad had been doing with regard to this diet. He even said to my father " There are still many things we do not know when it comes to cancer. Now you are the teacher and i am the student." I truly believe it was this diet. The future may prove my beliefs to be wrong but until then i am a believer.

I am also glad to hear you have beat this disease and live life to its fullest. What steps did you follow to become "cured"?

As far as posting more points with regard to my fathers disease its been almost a year so i will have to have him update me on all the original details. I do remember that his Gleason score was a 9. I dont recall his PSA level at that time either.
Posted 11/14/2013 6:52 PM (GMT 0)
Hey Kid:

Believe what you want to believe. The moon is made of green cheese.

The fact is, Lupron is KNOWN to have a dramatic effect on PC. Period. In fact, it actually does kill the hormone sensitive PC cells.

If it walks like a duck, acts like a duck...it's a duck. This is what Lupron does.

After reading the first half of your post, I honestly expected to find a web-site promoting the latest miracle cure.

Seriously, do you think you have discovered a cure for PC.

Mel

Posted 11/14/2013 6:58 PM (GMT 0)
Hey.
I am using a vegan diet myself most of the time which is alkaline. From what I've read, such a diet will make the stomach alkaline for a bit. The body itself, however, maintains a balance of acid and base which does not vary greatly.
Lupron often brings PSA to undetectable levels for some time. It varies how long. It will also clear bone mets for some time as well.
My guess is that the Lupron made a difference which may not be permanent. Good luck to you and your dad.
Posted 11/14/2013 7:04 PM (GMT 0)
Well whatever is working is working so tell your father to keep it up. I take Eligard and Casadex both HT Treatments. But every day my wife gives me OJ with lemon added in as she has heard good things about the Alkaline aspect. I will keep doing both plus some supplements my wife has picked out. My best to you and your father.

Michael

Posted 11/14/2013 7:23 PM (GMT 0)
No Mel I do not believe I have discovered a new cure for cancer.  Just wanted to tell a story the way i currently see things.  It sounds like most of you think Im nuts so I will end it at that and wish you all the best.  Peace to you all and good luck to you all..
Posted 11/14/2013 7:37 PM (GMT 0)
Kid 42,

Everybody here thinks everyone else is daft, from time to time. And mostly we are right. You shouldn't feel singled out.

We appreciate and admire the support you are giving your dad and we are glad he is doing so well. It is quite clear that the combination of Lupron plus his diet has worked well for him. You'll have to forgive us if we think it is more the Lupron than the diet. For myself, I am not in the position to get behind your diet because I am too busy being a low-carb weirdo. Nobody here approves of my diet either...
Posted 11/14/2013 7:49 PM (GMT 0)
Foxrun Lupron definitivly will rid one of PCA metastasis to the bone, lungs where ever it appears,IF the metastasized cells are not HT resistant and the patients biology responds well to HT. I never mentioned psa in my post.
Kid42 Mine is base on main tumor placement which appeared to be well inside the prostate at the apex, excellent post op pathology,ceptin gleason upgrade, including 27 nodes removed all cancer free, excellent fitness level, which has actually gotten better, post op. It has been excellent since I was 27 and started running. the negative on the running is the endurance exercise is know to release free radicals that can destroy dna of cells, but anti oxidants kill free radicals which comes full circle to your diet thesis. Ididn't have the best diet as I figgered, wrongly,as a youth that I could eat whatever i wanted , with the amount of exercise I did, and continue to do. tho now I eat a lot better, but am moderate with all my being. Or more honestly,hope, try, strive
to be and like all of life the struggle is a constant. Peace to you and yours. Aloha Nui Loa Ps. We are all our best teachers, but we all know something the other doesn't and learn one to the other.
Posted 11/14/2013 8:00 PM (GMT 0)
As far as diet and "unorthodox " treatments , I refer all to the the thigh master blond lady who starred with John Ritter years ago and the stock equities guy, imprsoned for fraud years back. I am suffering from Melitus, in jest, Mel, as we speak. A good memory , only short.
Posted 11/14/2013 8:05 PM (GMT 0)
Now one thinks your'e nuts Kid, so stay with us . Mel, like us all, bites sometimes, but are purely superficial wounds. Please take no offense. I totally understand out of the box thinking, like yours, its the engine of progress, and accept the barbs as well as the salve.
Posted 11/14/2013 8:13 PM (GMT 0)
I would think that Mel owes Kid an apology for the jagged edge of his comments. To make statements that ridicule like that are not helpful when someone is hoping against the odds that their loved one indeed is beating a nasty disease.

The point could have been made in a more gentle manner aside from saying things in such a harsh manner.

I'm pretty sure that Mel did not intentionally act so nasty, but it sure came out that way.

I just thoght I'd mention this, for whaterever it's worth. I moderate a prostate cancer forum on another site and definitely would have said something about such an attack.

Thanks,
Chuck

Resident of Highland, Indiana just outside of Chicago, IL.
July 2011 local PSA lab reading 6.41 (from 4.1 in 2009). Mayo Clinic PSA Sept. 2011 was 5.7.
Local urologist DRE revealed significant BPH, but no lumps.
PCa Dx Aug. 2011 at age of 61.
Biopsy revealed adenocarcinoma in 3 of 20 cores (one 5%, two 20%). T2C.
Gleason score 3+3=6.
CT of abdomen, bone scan both negative.
DaVinci prostatectomy 11/1/11 at Mayo Clinic (Rochester, MN), nerve sparing, age 62.
My surgeon was Dr. Matthew Tollefson, who I highly recommend.
Final pathology shows tumor confined to prostate.
5 lymph nodes, seminal vesicles, extraprostatic soft tissue all negative.
1.0 x 0.6 x 0.6 cm mass involving right posterior inferior,
right posterior apex & left mid posterior prostate.
Right posterior apex margin involved by tumor over a 0.2 cm length, doctor says this is insignificant.
Pathology showed Gleason 3 + 3, pT2c, N0, MX, R1
adenocarcinoma of the prostate.
Prostate 98.3 grams, tumor 2 grams. Prostate size 5.0 x 4.7 x 4.5 cm.
Abdominal drain removed the morning after surgery.
Catheter out in 7 days. No incontinence, occasional minor dripping.
Post-op exams 2/13/12, 9/10/12, 9/9/13 PSA <0.1. PSA tests now annual.
Semi-firm erections now happening 14 months post-op & VERY slowly getting a bit stronger.
Posted 11/14/2013 8:22 PM (GMT 0)
I think it's more complicated than that, Highlander.

thekid mentioned lung cancer and advanced cancer. I'm also hoping against all odds that a loved one I have dealing with that "sentence" can beat the disease. I just know that scientifically it's not likely, and if it were, it wouldn't be through diet change. Advanced disease in her case means pain that forces her to scream and shout. Food isn't going to change that, radiation and morphine is helping her through that pain.

It's not about judging thekid, it's about applying that rather dubious case as broadly as thekid does. Granted with good intentions.

I too was looking for a link at the end of that post when I started reading it. And like you and others, I too wish the kid peace and success. But having said that, I fully appreciated and understood where Mel was coming from.

Someone mentioned "tough love" the other day. I saw Peter using it very effectively with Jaxum earlier today. I think it qualifies here too
Posted 11/14/2013 8:33 PM (GMT 0)
Mel knows it was wrong IMO. Appreciate your words Highlander, they are apt. there is tough love,which Highlander just demonstrated and there is brutal love which I feel compiler, not in his heart of hearts, demonstrated. Its over. Lets not argue just to argue, even this last sentence of mine.{well the one before the following} Peace to all and to all a good nite, at least this aspect of the thread. Discipline, James, discipline. Goldfinger, circa 1960
Posted 11/14/2013 8:59 PM (GMT 0)
Firstly, let me say that I am pleased that the Lupron has had the effect it had on the Kids father's Pca. Long may it continue.
But let's put this "alkaline" nonsense to bed lest the more gullible take it on board. You CANNOT change the pH of your body with diet ----- it is not possible. Your body has mechanisms to tightly regulate pH regardless of diet. Your stomach must be acidic to facilitate digestion while you blood needs to be slightly alkaline to facilitate circulation and oxygen carrying capacity. The only thing that can change a little is your urine (which incidentally must be slightly acidic to inhibit bacterial infection). But, having said that, the "alkaline" diet (with no rubbish quack supplements) is actually good for you because of its basis. Alkaline foods tend to be basically vegetarian while an acidic type diet tends to contain a lot of animal protein ----- more fruit, veg and grains, less red meat = good. Change your bodies pH = bulls*it.

www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/DSH/coral2.html

Bill

Post Edited (BillyMac) : 11/14/2013 2:11:30 PM (GMT-7)

Posted 11/14/2013 9:01 PM (GMT 0)
Mel doesnt need to apoligize to me.  If I offended anyone with my post i need to apoligize to them.  So if i did i am truly sorry.  As i stated earlier, i was just hoping to tell my story in an attempt to help others in my situation.  Again i would like to apologize to anyone who may have been offended by my post... 
Posted 11/14/2013 9:05 PM (GMT 0)
Yeah, I guess I came out a tad strong. Sorry if I was a bit abrasive, but that doesn't change the facts.

Look at the facts:

We have a diet and we have Lupron. PSA reverses dramatically. This is TYPICAL of Lupron. To just praise the diet (or even give it a lot of credit) is really misinformation.

I don't know anything about lung cancer to comment much, but I am very skeptical to think that a diet will greatly influence lung cancer progression. I guess I would ask: are there studies to justify that assertion? I would hate for someone to just go to a diet and eschew the medicos.

I will say that with PC (and probably other cancers that hit us older folks) more people still die of heart disease and related issues. So, it makes sense to have a heart healthy diet (I still am only partially sussessful in doing that)

Also, I guess I've seen my share of hucksters selling dubious wares. I'm sensitive to that issue.

We are a very nice group.

But, sometimes we cower under the mantra that one should not question the decision of others. I've seen this time and again. We are not doctors, but sometimes someone is clearly going on the wrong path. THAT IS NOT THE SITUATION HERE. But say someone has a G8 PC and is only taking Laetrille or coffee enemas or doing absolutely nothing.  I'm going to say something. Do we have to be that meek to say that we will never question someone's choices? None of us has all the answers. But there are some situation that should clearly not go unchallenged.

Mel

 

Posted 11/14/2013 10:03 PM (GMT 0)
Guys, give Kid the benefit of respect for the good news at least. There are rules about that.

Kid, We have seen some pretty wild stories about alkaline diets and how eating baking soda and drinking kangan water will cure everything, so we are at best skeptical, although it wasn't appropriate to be harsh. (Just for fairness, in spite of warnings from WaterGuy, I still drink a gallon or so of kangan water that my neighbor brings over each week.) OK, I was looking for a link or a doc's name halfway through myself, but the fact that you didn't promote one, and were a return member after many months, lowered the spam shield a bit.

I am a good example of mets. I had some identified mets in my spine and ribs. After 6 months of Lupron, they are much reduced, and I am now told they can not be called 'evident'.

Around here we'll even find someone who says my glass of pomegranate juice in the morning is what made the mets reduce.

Once a path which is better is found, might as well stick with it.

I'm happy for improvement!
Posted 11/14/2013 10:18 PM (GMT 0)
Kid, whatever it was- CONGRATS to you both. It's a blessing period !

Don
Posted 11/14/2013 10:33 PM (GMT 0)
Kid,
Kudos to your dad and his current physical condition; I'm impressed! If I may, I am requesting that you go to the next physical with your dad at Mayo. Many patients only hear 10% or less of what the physician is discussing. At my age with hearing aids I just nod-lol.
Bill
Posted 11/14/2013 10:43 PM (GMT 0)
Kid,
I'm happy for your father's amazing news. I thank you for sharing that news with us. Most of us on this site have been fighting PCa for many years and have covered all the possible treatments available out there (surgery, radiation, HT, chemo, Brachy, ... and yes diet). What is known to us is that Lupron does bring the PSA down to undetectable level and does kill cancer cells that are androgen dependent. It is not unreasonable to assume that the great result that your father achieved is from the Lupron shots and not likely from the diet.
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