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Posted 12/21/2013 12:52 PM (GMT 0)
I have read on this forum that a diet high in fruits, vegetables and grains are good for you.  We should avoid red meat, dairy and sugar.  But what about eggs.  Has anyone read any studies about eggs and PCa? 
Posted 12/21/2013 1:29 PM (GMT 0)
Renowned prostate cancer oncologist Dr Snuffy Myers says to avoid them. A study in England recently linked 2 eggs a day to a significantly increased rick of PCa.

For much of his career Myers was a researcher and aided in the development of many mainstream medications. As Director of the Cancer Center at the University of Virginia he found that arachidonic acid, found in meat, dairy and egg yolks, converts to the hormone 5-HETE which fuels prostate cancer. Thus he says no eggs.
Posted 12/21/2013 1:48 PM (GMT 0)
Have you ever tried the eggwhites? My wife makes the best omelette with vegetables. I have used almond milk and actually enjoy it. There are many good substitutes available for a healthy diet.
Posted 12/21/2013 4:44 PM (GMT 0)
I conducted a private study with a test group of 1 person. I stopped eating eggs about 10 years ago and switched to the egg white substitute when I do, rarely eat egg like things.

Still ended up with PC.

Seems like the studies have conflicting results ...
Posted 12/21/2013 4:52 PM (GMT 0)
10 Health Benefits of Eggs (to name a few - my words)
www.healthdiaries.com/eatthis/10-health-benefits-of-eggs.html


9. Eggs may prevent breast cancer. In one study, women who consumed at least 6 eggs per week lowered their risk of breast cancer by 44%.

<Go Figure>
Posted 12/21/2013 7:02 PM (GMT 0)
Myers doesn't shove eggs totally off the plate. He told me egg whites are fine...and as all things ... Moderation...
Posted 12/21/2013 7:26 PM (GMT 0)
I'm eating egg beaters right now, scrambled with marinated artichoke hearts, hickory farms summer sausage and hickory farms cheddar cheese. with a side of grits. yummy cool .

ed
Posted 12/23/2013 3:22 AM (GMT 0)
Dr. Ornish's book says that egg whites are fine. Apparently all of the protein and basically none of the fat. I won't lie, they took me a little getting used to and it took some time to come up with the right mixtures.

Egg white French toast - egg whites, vanilla, cinnamon, salt, pepper and a little corn flour. Corn flour gives the toast a bit of the golden color of regular French toast and thickens up the mixture a bit. Top with blueberries and a little maple syrup.

Egg White Omelet - I add some diced onions, mushrooms, vegan cheese and a little spinach or broccoli.

Egg white poached eggs - egg whites poach quite nicely. I have an electronic poacher and I sprinkle a little vegan cheese and salt and pepper. Cook up some vegan bacon and put it all together in an English muffin. Very good.
Posted 12/23/2013 3:56 AM (GMT 0)
I know many of you doctor up egg whites or egg beaters, but just not the same to me.

I do not believe that even eating a single egg per day is going to make an ounce of difference to either preventing PC in the first place, or slowing it down if it is in place.

Eggs have been the hero and the foe at different times in the medical community in the past 20 years or so. Experts have gone back and forth.

Like all things diet wise, some common sense and moderation is the best solution, imo.

For myself, I eat of max. of 4 real eggs per week by choice, and some weeks, none at all. I do not feel I am risking either my health or my current cancer situation at all.

David

In the end, we all have to do or not do, what we think is best for ourselves, and that's how it should be.
Posted 12/23/2013 4:46 AM (GMT 0)

Purg said...
In the end, we all have to do or not do, what we think is best for ourselves, and that's how it should be.

In the end, we all have to do a sourdough waffle with a runny poached egg and butter and lots of pepper......
Posted 12/23/2013 5:58 AM (GMT 0)
hmm.........not fond of waffles, never liked the texture, but the same thing with wheat pancakes could be interesting. but I have to have my real maple syrup for it to work
Posted 12/23/2013 7:00 AM (GMT 0)
I know many of you doctor up egg whites or egg beaters, but just not the same to me.

your (un)willingness to try new things is legendary David cool.

I like egg beaters as well as real eggs. I really can't tell the difference. I do eat real eggs but I prefer egg beaters to avoid the fat and calories because I get plenty of both in other ways. I also rarely drink anything with calories -- juice, milk, coke, booze, Gatorade etc.

ed
Posted 12/23/2013 11:52 AM (GMT 0)
Animal protein is animal protein, in any source it comes in. Inkhorn
Posted 12/23/2013 12:38 PM (GMT 0)
Animal protein is animal protein? Mostly. Eggs are animal protein without cell nuclei (one per egg, actually) and are low in purines and a good source of protein if you are prone to gout, as I am.
Posted 12/23/2013 2:27 PM (GMT 0)
I understand it to be the fat in the egg yolk, not the protien in the white, that is the issue according to Ornish and Myers. Myers' studies showed the dairy, egg yolk, animal and poultry fat to be the culprit; but not fish and shellfish. The problem with land animals (beef, pork, lamb) is that the fat is much more interspersed troughout the muscle, thus he says limit meat.

He, as does Ornish, allows for egg whites.

My problem is that I like the yolk better than the whites, especially in eggs benedicts and deviled eggs. How do I replace that? I do limit myself to maybe two eggs a week and have since my early 30's. Still contracted the beast.
Posted 12/23/2013 2:49 PM (GMT 0)
Ed/F8, you said:

your (un)willingness to try new things is legendary David

Your endless attempts to ridicule or attack me is equally legendary, you never seem to tire of it, it does get old though, thought I would tell you that. Find a new target.

I have tried egg whites and egg beater products many times over the years. Many years back, I was advised to use them for another medical matter way back before I ever had cancer issues. So you can see, you shouldn't assume things with me.

I don't like how they taste. Sure there are things you don't like. And from the oncology dieticians that I have had accesss to for almost 3 years now, would support the statement I made about real eggs and moderation. Do you talk to oncology dieticians on a regular basis?

Eggs are considered to be a great source of protein, they are often used in nursing home and long term care facilities for that very reason. Easy to ingest, easy to digest for most people, and while they have fat, its not that much in per portion.

If one chooses some of these ultra strict diets they put themselves under, that's fine, if that's how they want to live their life. No problem. But moderation allows one to be healthy, and still enjoy most of the things they enjoy eating. What's that saying? You either live to eat, or eat to live. Something like that.

David
Posted 12/23/2013 3:58 PM (GMT 0)

I also avoid eggs and go the egg white/egg beater route, Although in my opinion they are no substitute for fresh eggs.

I enjoy pancakes once a week with egg beaters, olive oil and skim milk. They are very good with fruit or berries. I will also have an egg white sandwich once or twice a week.

Posted 12/23/2013 6:05 PM (GMT 0)
I don't eat an ultra strict diet David. I eat everything. I don't mock other guy's attempts at being more healthy and improving their lives. and I was just ribbing you and I know you like ribs cool

ed
Posted 12/23/2013 7:45 PM (GMT 0)
There is no winner or loser to this. Just eat in moderation, watch your BMI and exercise... otherwise eat what you want with some balance and watch the saturated and trans fats. You can Google and almost certainly find a study out there that folks can reference that shows ANYTHING you eat is bad for you OR good for you in some ways. Of course, this is IMHO.
Posted 12/23/2013 11:14 PM (GMT 0)
well said, Mikla, well said. That's the point I have learned from the oncology specific dieticians that I have access to at an award winning Oncology Rehab program I have been with for almost 3 years.

They are really opposed to dietary extremes of any sort.

David
Posted 12/24/2013 12:42 AM (GMT 0)
I have eliminated egg yolks. It's heart healthy, so if it's also GFMPH, so much the better.
Posted 5/9/2016 11:15 PM (GMT 0)
I was not familiar with this study. I recently received a newsletter from Proton BOB which included a discussion about this. I googled it and found that the basis was a study conducted in 1994-1998 on about 27,000 men and published in 2010. Anyone know if since then the thesis has been refuted or modified?

The study did not look at whether eggs caused PC but that it caused it to be more aggressive in men who had been diagnosed. Who would be included in the risk group? Certainly men under AS, men who don't know yet they have cancer, and men who know their cancer is not in remission. But what about the many men who have had treatments where the results would indicate remission? Is the thinking that PC never really leaves us; that's it's lurking somewhere in a few cells biding its time before it colonizes again somewhere?
Posted 5/9/2016 11:30 PM (GMT 0)
I love eggs! I refuse to stop eating them or drinking wine! Lol
Bob
Posted 5/9/2016 11:36 PM (GMT 0)
I reckon we are all legends in our own mind…I would add to that for me…what a co-worker said about me…" you are a rumor in your own time " I have put relish on those rumors ever since…and eat em up….
Posted 5/10/2016 12:56 AM (GMT 0)
If I read correctly Snuffly said eggs feed PCa, not create it, so eating eggs doesn't cause PCa, but once you have it, eggs will help it thrive, much like Testosterone I suppose.
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