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ksk54
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Posted 1/16/2014 3:34 PM (GMT 0)
Age 60, RRP Apr 2010, PT3A NO MO,Gleason 7[3+4] EPE and PIN. PSA remained undetectable for two years then started increasing and present PSA is 0.17 doubling time about
8 months.I was planning for next options and consulted two med-oncos and a radiation-onco. A well known medical oncologist has suggested avodart and metformine to slow the pc growth, increase the doubling time and to keep IMRT/ADT for future use if and when needed. Views and suggestions are requested.Thanks.
nenea
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Posted 1/16/2014 6:23 PM (GMT 0)
I am taking Avodart & Metformin for almost one year after SRT+HT.
So far no trace of PSA in my blood tests(<0.003).Ican`t tell if they helped ,but none of them had no SE and worth trying. Avodart increased my testosterone about
20% from my baseline by suppressing my DHT to the lowest value.
Good luck.
Tall Allen
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Posted 1/16/2014 6:37 PM (GMT 0)
Good idea! I don't know if it will work for you, but what is the downside? You might talk to him about
taking statins, baby aspirin, soy isoflavones, Pomi-T, and gamma-tocotrienol as well. Changes to diet and lifestyle/exercise seem to have benefited many too.
- Allen
Jerry L.
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Posted 1/16/2014 9:01 PM (GMT 0)
I would still go for the possible cure with radiation and HT...
I do take Metformin and Avodart currently to slow my PC.
ralfinaz
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Posted 1/16/2014 10:45 PM (GMT 0)
Hi Hummbug,
The way the 5-alpha reductase inhibitors (Avodart and Proscar) work is by suppressing the formation of the testosterone metabolite dihydrotestosterone (DHT). They do that by inhibiting an enzyme that does the conversion naturally.
If they do their job, less testosterone is converted to DHT and therefore the level of testosterone increases. The increase is individually variable.
RalphV
ralfinaz
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Posted 1/17/2014 5:18 AM (GMT 0)
It is difficult to define the cause for your PSA progression in your case, but I would suggest that it was not the Proscar or the increase of testosterone. If your testosterone is at castrate level, you might be becoming resistant and Casodex might be acting as an agonist to a mutated androgen receptor. Stopping Casodex is the right action and hopefully you will get a lower PSA response.
Why only half dose of Proscar? Wish you the very best outcome!
RalphV
Tall Allen
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Posted 1/17/2014 6:31 AM (GMT 0)
Hummbug,
DHT is up to 10x more powerful at activating the androgen receptor compared to T. So the small increase in T because it can no longer metabolize into DHT is a good trade off. T will metabolize into estrogen if the enzymes aren't available to change it into DHT. But we're talking very small amounts here, and you can never get rid of every last drop. Your body will always find ways to make some amount of androgens, even if it has to use casodex as an androgen.
- Allen
Organised chaos
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Posted 1/17/2014 7:29 AM (GMT 0)
A very interesting discussion which I totally agree with.
However, would it be worth adding a statin into the mix given the role of increased testosterone (due to 5-alpha reductase inhibitors) may have in modifying lipoprotein function?
Paul
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