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Posted 1/21/2014 12:29 PM (GMT 0)
I don't read a lot about this topic on forum . but was wondering what
are some supplements and vitamins to stay away from if you've been diagnosed and
treated . for fear of it may accelerate or spread any remaining cancer
Posted 1/21/2014 12:46 PM (GMT 0)
Supplements in theory help us make up for things we aren't getting enough of with a regular daily diet.

So since eating too many Oranges won't kill you - in theory neither would taking Vit C.

I take supplements that are geared towards a heart healthy diet.
Posted 1/21/2014 1:58 PM (GMT 0)
I take Vitamin D, K2, Cranberry extract, and Calcium at the direction of my uro to help with bone conservation (I'm on Prolia) & UTI prevention. I take magnesium and potassium at the suggestion of my GP to combat severe leg cramps that (I am told) are SEs of Lupron.

Nothing else.
Posted 1/21/2014 2:16 PM (GMT 0)
I recently read that Cranberry Juice etc isn't as wonderful as we all thought.

There is some science behind the claims that cranberries can protect against urinary tract infections, especially in women who are prone to getting UTIs. Yet the benefit for other groups of people isn't as clear. Plus, there are no real recommendations on how much cranberry juice you'd need to drink to get any protection against UTIs.
www.webmd.com/urinary-incontinence-oab/womens-guide/cranberries-for-uti-protection

Just can win for losing...

On the other hand, my cardio doc had me switch to liquid fish oil that you store in the refridge...he says it's much fresher and better.. Who knew??
Posted 1/21/2014 3:41 PM (GMT 0)
Here's more of what you were after...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2135140/Health-supplements-cause-cancer-Study-finds-products-increase-chance-getting-disease.html

---I was a heavy supplement user with a focus on antioxidants especially beta carotene and Vitamin E. Took it for years in tandem. I stopped several years ago. So, did my taking it help aid in cancer protection, or in fueling what I ended up with?

The more I study and think on it, the best course is to eat as much natural food that hasn't been sprayed with chemicals. Certified organic natural foods are the best thing one could do, I believe. If you are a Netflix guy, stream the documentary: FORKS OVER KNIVES...very compelling stuff. Body wants to heal itself if we get out of the way.
Posted 1/21/2014 4:08 PM (GMT 0)
I just listened to the replay of this

The Cancer and Nutrition show with Dr. Donald Abrams can be accessed here:

www.blogtalkradio.com/curepanel/2014/01/17/nutrition-and-supplements-during-cancer-treatment-and-beyond

One of the points made was that sugar is the enemy. Instead of drinking orange juice for example, eat the oranges as the pulp helps minimize the impact of the sugar which is what is used in PET scans to attract the cancer.

Ditto for pomengranate juice.

LupronJim
Posted 1/21/2014 4:14 PM (GMT 0)

Inchoation said...


---I was a heavy supplement user with a focus on antioxidants especially beta carotene and Vitamin E. Took it for years in tandem. I stopped several years ago. So, did my taking it help aid in cancer protection, or in fueling what I ended up with?

That's how I feel about green tea. I drank so much of the non-caffeinated green tea liquid additive when I was traveling every week, I should have topped out on antioxidents.

On some no name air carriers, all you got compliemntary was H2O, obviously before TSA would have confiscated my 2 oz bottle.

Imagine how much worse than G9 with bone mets at initial diagnosis it could have been had it not been for all the green tea.

Oh well, maybe it explains why my max PSA was only 3.68.

It is what it is. Next play.

LupronJim
Posted 1/21/2014 4:29 PM (GMT 0)
   My oncologist told me many months ago that I should not be on a multi-vitamin. I had been taking Centrum Silver for close to ten years, but when my Xtandi experiment failed last July, I was told the Centrum was, if anything, feeding the cancer cells.

   A review of all my meds were taken at the time .... and the Krill oil is in limbo - but not a required stop. What was added though was Vitamin D (slow release) with Calcium.

   I actually have cut back my meds the past 6 to 8-months to include only: Prednisone, Lexapro, Vitamin D/Calcium, Spiriva (for COPD) and occassional Albuterol.

Peace and wellness

Rob & Gizmo

 

Posted 1/21/2014 9:00 PM (GMT 0)
with all the ed guys on here surprised arginine doesn't get discussed
Posted 1/21/2014 9:22 PM (GMT 0)
Interesting that you mention l-arginine I just starting taking it a couple of days ago 3000 mg a day along with 25 mg Viagra every other day. I am 5 weeks post op and just starting to get some respond in the ED department . As far as other supplements I am taking a multi vitamin and mineral supplement , D3,B12 and Astaxanthin.
Posted 1/21/2014 9:35 PM (GMT 0)

No Patience said...
with all the ed guys on here surprised arginine doesn't get discussed

L-arginine... Yes, I want to be LARGE again.

L-carnitine is another of the good aminos supposedly great for ED.

My concern in researching certain supplements for nerve regeneration is that if you get too much you may find yourself in a counterproductive situation. Vitamin B 6 is supposedly great for nerve regeneration, but if you get too much it supposedly inhibits nerve growth.

I spent this AM looking at axon (nerve) regeneration. Neurotrophins are something thought to be very beneficial to regeneration. Where do you get them from? https://www.prospecbio.com/ I may opt for that route if things don't happen naturally for me.
Posted 1/21/2014 9:51 PM (GMT 0)
Here's a supplement I came across this AM that is supposedly good for us survivors...

http://www.pomi-t.com/
Posted 1/21/2014 11:26 PM (GMT 0)
Inchoation-I saw Forks over Knives after I was dx and had surgery. Started to read all the related stuff. The China Study, books by Campbell,Esselstyn's (both father and son)and a lot of vegan cookbooks. I went vegan about 2 years ago in the hopes that no more disease would attack my body. All blood work in every way got way better. BTW i-I take 3000 mg L arginine daily. Regards Inkhorn
Posted 1/22/2014 12:03 AM (GMT 0)

inkhorn said...
Inchoation-I saw Forks over Knives after I was dx and had surgery. Started to read all the related stuff. The China Study, books by Campbell,Esselstyn's (both father and son)and a lot of vegan cookbooks. I went vegan about 2 years ago in the hopes that no more disease would attack my body. All blood work in every way got way better. BTW i-I take 3000 mg L arginine daily. Regards Inkhorn

Glad to hear that, inkhorn. The science of FOK is challenged like any and every science. For my money, it's pretty clear our western diet is responsible for a lot of what ails us. Switching to a plant based all natural diet is something that worked for me during the time between dx and surgery. My BP went from 140 over 100 to something like 112 over 70. The drop was dramatic. I'm not a caffeine drinker...or anything like that...my drop was a legit prodigious drop all based on diet and exercise. I figured taking my BP during some of my recent trials it would be through the roof. It usually is in a docs office because it's so stressful but my faith along with my diet and exercise changes made a huge difference.

I was once a voracious consumer of red meat. I still haven't had a hamburger since dx and I could throw several down with the best of them.

Going to add more protein to my diet and see what happens even though FOK suggests limiting protein intake.
Posted 1/22/2014 1:09 AM (GMT 0)
Came across this info thought it might be of interest.
Had not heard of pycnogenol before.

An amino acid naturally present in the body, L-arginine helps make nitric oxide, which relaxes blood vessels to support a successful erection. In 1999, researchers studied men with ED. Thirty-one percent of those taking 5 grams a day of L-arginine experienced significant improvements in sexual function.

A second study published in 2003 showed that L-arginine (1.7 grams/day) combined with pycnogenol, a plant product from tree bark (40 mg, 2 to 3 times a day), restored sexual ability to 80 percent of participants after two months, and to 92.5 percent after three months.
Posted 1/22/2014 2:02 AM (GMT 0)
Welcome, Gwn... strong contribution! I'm going to wait 6 months before I go full tilt after ED. Hopefully, after 6 months, I won't need to but this will be filed away.
Posted 1/22/2014 2:59 AM (GMT 0)
Inchoation-I too ate a lot of red and all kinds of meat, thinking I needed mega grams of protein especially when weight training. I'm a small guy. At 160 lbs, I don't need any more then 58 grams a day for any kind of training. Chip Esselstyn,Brendan Brazier,Robert Cheeke and Arian Foster seem to get plenty of protein to compete at a professional level. There are many other examples of professional athletes out there that eat no meat. Regards Inkhorn
Posted 1/22/2014 1:37 PM (GMT 0)
I never bought into the organics before , but after surgery
maybe good idea for organic meats and mild since no hormones
do you really want growth hormones in your body now ? does that make sense ?
I don't know afraid to ask dr . I have enough other questions for him
Posted 1/22/2014 6:52 PM (GMT 0)
Ask any and every question you can...it's your life on the line. Curious to hear his answer that you can share with all of us...so it's just not you riding on this answer. :)
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