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BLD1967
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Joined : Apr 2015
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Posted 4/23/2015 7:25 PM (GMT 0)
Well, I have to say, maybe I don't belong here. Maybe I'm sweating something that's nothing...nothing conclusively says I do or don't have PCa. I don't even have enough numbers to put in the signature line, like most everyone else here does. Why am I so worried? Is my worry justified?
I got a PSA (4/6/2015) result back and it was 4.8; I got sent to a urologist right away and the DRE was normal. I'll have a Free PSA taken on 5/27/2015, and probably a regular PSA before then. The plan is for a biopsy, depending upon results of the Free PSA.
I'm only 47, and I have a family history of PCa. Dad was one of six brothers and won't get checked. His dad (my grandfather), his dad's brother, and three of his five brothers (my uncles) all had it...and one of his brothers is like him--too stubborn to get checked. But no one has been as young as me. No one in the family has died from it, and if I have it, it's probably very early. Again, why am I so worried?
I felt very reassured after the urologist visit. Heck, I worked for General Petraeus when he had it and we didn't even know he was being treated. But then I think about
radiation, and prostatectomy...impotence and incontinence...tumors metastasizing and the like, and I get very worried.
What would you do this early in the process? Am I on the right track? Is the cure worse than PCa itself? The biopsy sounds like sitting on a nail...twelve times. How should I prepare for that?
InTheShop
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Joined : Jan 2012
Posts : 11468
Posted 4/23/2015 8:22 PM (GMT 0)
Welcome to HW.
Remember that PSA isn't a cancer test. Just measures prostate size and activity. What were your previous PSA numbers? There a lot of things that can rise PSA, PC is last on the list.
A history of PC isn't good, but not horrible. None died? Keep remembering that. None died.
So what should you be doing? Sounds like you already are doing it. Waiting for the next test to decide on biopsy. Other than that, how about
going out and doing something fun? Got a hobby? Places you like to see? Enjoy life. Have lots of sex - squeeze all the life out of life you can.
You could also checkout the sticky threads at the top of the forum.
and the biopsy? Likely easier than working for a General. It's annoying and undignified, but not horrible. The doc will give the pre instructions. Nothing special - just take your pants off and let then shove things up your backside. Loads of fun. If you're nervous, there are pills they can give you to help out.
And again, it's far to early in the process to worry, easy to say I know. Deal with what you have - a slightly elevated PSA that you need to understand why. You should also get checked out for infection, enlarged prostate (BPH) and get a PSA retest. You also might want to look into this new PHI (prostate health index) test that is out there.
Hang in there and keep us updated on your progress,
Andrew
PeterDisAbelard.
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Posted 4/23/2015 8:42 PM (GMT 0)
Your questions in red below:
Is my worry justified?
Could be, depending on exactly how worried you are. There is cause for a watchful concern but anything past that is probably overblown.
What would you do this early in the process?
about
what you are doing. There are other, better, blood tests besides PSA and free PSA. You might ask your urologist what he thinks of the Prostate Health Index (PHI) which is a new test that seems to have fewer false positives. Also, be sure to avoid sex, bicycle riding, DREs, bull riding, over-the-counter decongestants, and other things that can perturb your prostate in the 48 hours before your next PSA test. For extra credit you could ask your uro about
a round of antibiotics before your next test. (Sometimes prostatitis can cause an elevated PSA).
Am I on the right track?
Yep.
Is the cure worse than PCa itself?
That's a heck of an interesting question. In way too many cases it is. Many men diagnosed with prostate cancer have cancers that will never cause them any trouble if left untreated. For those men the damage the cancer does to their lives comes from their panic at the word "cancer" and their insistence that their doctors provide treatment that often has unfortunate side effects.
There are other guys for whom treatment
is
necessary and will save them from a painful, undignified and untimely death.
The trick is to figure out which kind one is. Historically that's been hard but with recent diagnostic tests it is becoming possible for men with steady nerves.
In the mildly unlikely case you are diagnosed, come back and talk to us before you commit to treatment. We can suggest questions to ask your doctors that will help you evaluate the risks and potential side effects.
The biopsy sounds like sitting on a nail...twelve times. How should I prepare for that?
It's rather more like having a staple-tacker shoved up your behind. I always found them more annoying than painful. But I found them really, really annoying. The biopsy gun makes a noise like a rat trap going off and I tended to jump a foot off the table with every CLACK. I found that a couple Valium swilled down in my uro's waiting room vastly improved the experience for me.
If your doctor offers the option of a bit of pharmaceutical detachment I'd take him up on it. There's no shame to it. Men is white coats sneaking up behind us with spring-loaded "novelties" that shoot needles into our man bits... make us
all
nervous.
Ichabod
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Joined : Nov 2014
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Posted 4/23/2015 8:47 PM (GMT 0)
Welcome to the forum, BLD, Sorry you have to be here. I am also 47. It sounds like you are doing what needs to be done. Did your urologist talk about
the possibility of infection? They ought to rule that out as well, before a biopsy, but a biopsy is the only way to know for sure. You should know, and hopefully they have told you this, that a negative biopsy result doesn't mean you don't have cancer either. It just means they didn't find it in the areas they biopsied.
As you move forward, get as much information as you can. You have tons of options, and people in the various camps here will weigh in.
The biopsy is not fun, but the discomfort is short lived. Keep us posted as you move forward, and we'll try to tell you what we know.
Cheers,
NE-skier
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Joined : Mar 2015
Posts : 52
Posted 4/23/2015 9:23 PM (GMT 0)
InTheShop said...
Remember that PSA is a cancer test.
Didn't you mean "isn't a cancer test"?
Dewayne
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Joined : Oct 2014
Posts : 530
Posted 4/23/2015 9:28 PM (GMT 0)
I was a year older than you. Most don't know I was treated in December so there are far worse things than having low-intermediate risk prostate cancer.
They told me at Emory that a PSA of >4.0 nearly always warrants a biopsy; but put my risk at actually having cancer at around 35%. My DRE always checked out good as well.
Good luck. No need to worry yourself sick either way, but I'd certainly recommend taking it serious.
InTheShop
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Posts : 11468
Posted 4/23/2015 9:31 PM (GMT 0)
NE-skier said...
InTheShop said...
Remember that PSA is a cancer test.
Didn't you mean "isn't a cancer test"?
yup, edited.
halbert
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Posted 4/23/2015 10:01 PM (GMT 0)
BLD, it sounds like you're in good hands. You're asking the right questions, and your docs are proceeding according to standard protocols. The biopsy is unpleasant, and has some odd side effects. I found the antibiotic shot in the butt the most painful. It hurt for weeks.
Post biopsy, you'll be peeing and ejaculating blood for a few weeks. That's how it is. Usually, You'll get the results in 3-7 days. When you get the results, there are a few good questions to ask:
How many cores (if any) were positive?
What is the Gleason score, and make sure you ask for "both numbers" usually expressed in terms of a primary and secondary score, like 3+4 or something.
Ask what the next steps are....and don't let them rush you into anything.
BLD1967
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Joined : Apr 2015
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Posted 4/23/2015 11:55 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks everyone for the quick replies. I started getting PSA checked when I was 39. Was in the military, and they insisted. I was a pretty stable 1.9 then and at my last one (three years ago). I appreciate the advice and the reassurance that I'm tracking with a reasonable plan.
Tall Allen
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Posted 4/24/2015 1:08 AM (GMT 0)
A suggestion: Instead of having a PSA and a % free PSA test, call the link below to get a Prostate Health Index (PHI) test, which already includes both of those plus something more. Remember, no orgasms or bike riding within 48 hrs of the test.
Prostate Health Index (PHI)
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