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Posted 10/9/2015 6:39 PM (GMT 0)
As I was watching the game last night I asked my wife, "why does the NFL go all out with the pink for Breast Cancer awareness month, with not a showing of the blue in September?".

Why does yoplait come out with pink lids during October, but nope, nothing when it comes to PCA.

Lastly, why is there a super attractive young lady, in an extremely short dress I might add, running as an advertisement in a forum full of guys with ED to varying degrees?

You might as "why" do I care. I don't, just an observation, and one I thought might get a chuckle.

tongue
Posted 10/9/2015 6:59 PM (GMT 0)
HMMMM: a well-educated female relative of mine said to me just a few days ago "Prostate Cancer? Well at least it's not as bad as breast cancer"...

I pointed out to her that I would MUCH rather have breast cancer thanks, at least I would be able to function afterwards. She left with a revised opinion and ringing ears.

That may be part of it... rolleyes
Posted 10/9/2015 8:54 PM (GMT 0)
Paul, yeah. I think we've all heard, "at least you got the GOOD cancer". As if! I submit that PC needs a well known national spokesman (any senior actors with PC?). You're right though, nobody marches for PC, Blue magnet ribbons are out there, but rare, and the headlines read that no one dies of PC anymore.

Sigh.
Posted 10/9/2015 9:35 PM (GMT 0)
Just dead stars: Dennis Hopper, Dan Fogelberg, Charlton Heston, Frank Zappa

For more:
http://www.ranker.com/list/famous-people-who-died-of-prostate-cancer/reference?utm_expid=16418821-154.rT8cPvUmQNuj_-gE4I98Fw.0&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2F
Posted 10/9/2015 9:43 PM (GMT 0)
I've mentioned in the past that the NFL promotes BC awareness in October and it's amazing that they ignore PC awareness in September.

I think most men are more closed about it. most women have an easier time talking about it. Joe Torre, Rusy Giuliani, Warren Buffet, they'd rather not make it a part of their public lives. Which is too bad.
Posted 10/9/2015 11:54 PM (GMT 0)
Maybe someone should remind them for Movember :-)
Posted 10/10/2015 1:48 AM (GMT 0)
That "good cancer" comment always makes me cringe, especially now! There's obviously no such thing.

A friend I've made via my professional life has grown to be a family I really have gotten to know, and care about. His wife had a strange occurrence of pain after using the lopping shears this spring. Always had mammograms, etc., but somehow just 7 or so months later was diagnosed with one of the most aggressive forms of breast cancer there is. She spent this past weekend fighting for her life following treatment from the previous week.

I agree that we probably don't speak openly about it enough, but we're dudes, and only we can change that!
Posted 10/10/2015 6:34 AM (GMT 0)
I wore my blue ribbon all September. Had only one person ask about it. IMHO, if there was a fraction of dollars spent on improvements in early detection for either BC or PCa, rather than big buck cures from big pharmaceutical, we all wouldn't be here.
Posted 10/10/2015 2:07 PM (GMT 0)
Well said Thurman, and Paul too! And Stix, some of the NFL players DO recognize Movember, I know the Packer's Aaron Rodgers for one - I hope some day the NFL will wake up and greet September the same way they do October. . . . .
Posted 10/10/2015 3:04 PM (GMT 0)
Re the NFL, I'd bet that it is at least partly due to outreach to women to increase their fan base. And for some time breast cancer has been a huge marketing tool in all sorts of businesses, for better or worse.
Posted 10/10/2015 3:12 PM (GMT 0)
Similar situation to Mother's Day vs Father's day?

As for why the pretty girl in a short skirt at the site full of men with ED: because hope springs eternal?
Posted 10/10/2015 8:59 PM (GMT 0)

halbert said...
Paul, yeah. I think we've all heard, "at least you got the GOOD cancer". As if! ...

Sigh.



But halbert, you DID get "the good prostate cancer."

The good prostate cancer is kind where immediate and aggressive treatment is certainly an "elective" option, but not necessary...and increasingly in this decade aggressive immediate treatment is the path NOT taken. Despite this, many men still do "elect" to have surgery or a radiation treatment even though it does nothing to prolong their life, and it creates (for many) side effects from the cure worse than the disease.

The notion that prostate cancer as a whole is a "good cancer" is a contemporary misinterpretation of the words of PC-pioneer Dr Willett Whitmore (1917-1995; known as "the father of urological oncology"). Paraphrasing more precisely, Dr Whitmore said there are "good prostate cancers" and "bad prostate cancers."

There certainly are "bad prostate cancers." Thankfully, they are less commonly occurring than the low-risk cases.

Despite my case being slightly worse than yours both pre- and post-surgery pathology, I am thankful for many things in my life, and one among the many is that I did have the good, not the bad, prostate cancer.
Posted 10/10/2015 10:32 PM (GMT 0)
gotta give the ladies credit for not letting the anti-mammogram advocates throw them under the bus! they know what we should know: early detection is key to survival.

ed
Posted 10/10/2015 11:18 PM (GMT 0)
Nkinney, I guess I'd say that if I've got to have cancer, I'd prefer what I have to what my co-worker with stage 4 pancreatic cancer has. But that's like saying I'd choose a firing squad over a gas chamber. I'd much prefer to pass on the honor.

This general topic is one we've batted around in here several times in the almost-a-year I've been here. I really do think a lot of it is about it being a 'guy thing'. Us guys talk about it, in private, with other guys. That's just how we do it. We deal with it, and we go on. We suffer in private, and that's mostly OK.
Posted 10/10/2015 11:19 PM (GMT 0)
You've got that right F8. I completely justified refusing my PCP's offer of a DRE and PSA because of the recommendations of that government panel, even though my dad had PC. A year and a half later my PCP insisted on my being screened regardless of what the G panel said. I'm glad she talked me into it.

I was an idiot to trust the government and I allowed my ignorance and fear to cloud my better judgement. As a pT3b patient I delayed treatment for a crucial 1.5 years.
Posted 10/11/2015 12:27 AM (GMT 0)

halbert said...
This general topic is one we've batted around in here several times in the almost-a-year I've been here.

wait till you've been here four years, this topic pops up every few weeks and the same stuff gets said, then the posters get weird and then the mods lock the thread...

just saying,
Andrew
Posted 10/11/2015 4:34 PM (GMT 0)

halbert said...
Nkinney, I guess I'd say that if I've got to have cancer, I'd prefer what I have to what my co-worker with stage 4 pancreatic cancer has. But that's like saying I'd choose a firing squad over a gas chamber...



Oh my, I don't know if this comment makes me want to laugh or cringe for the sake of newcomers who may really not know better...

I'm really wondering, which one are you saying low-risk prostate cancer is most like: the firing squad or the gas chamber?!?!


There's an old saying: treatment for low risk PC won't make you live longer, it will just make you feel that much older...
Posted 10/11/2015 5:32 PM (GMT 0)

NKinney said...

halbert said...


There's an old saying: treatment for low risk PC won't make you live longer, it will just make you feel that much older...

LOLOLOL


Men don't like to ask for help. They tend to keep their problems to themselves. We dont, in general, tend to talk about very, very private problems with other men. We tend to keep things to ourselves.


With the NFL...breast cancer awareness offsets spousal abuse in women's minds. I'm not saying it's an intended consequence by the NFL...I'm just saying i think it does.
Posted 10/11/2015 5:45 PM (GMT 0)
NKinney, as someone who has had two "good" cancer diagnoses (in situ malignant melanoma and intermediate risk PC), I feel like the guy who was tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail who remarked "If it wasn't for the honor, I'd just as soon have passed on it" (story attributed to Abe Lincoln).

And this gets far away from the OP. PC is NOT seen as a "major cancer" or even as a "major health risk" in popular parlance. And THAT is a tragedy. And doing something about it is not going to be easy. It is, unfortunately, as much about marketing as anything.
Posted 10/11/2015 9:33 PM (GMT 0)
"It doesn't bother most men to be diagnosed with prostate cancer" - an old girlfriend of mine. At the time she said this I figured it was her way of belittling me as we were about to break up anyhow. Looking back, I'm not so sure it wasn't something that a lot of women really believe. Or at least some women.
Posted 10/11/2015 10:43 PM (GMT 0)
IT, I'm guessing she was just rationalizing her own guilt. Nobody could possibly believe that.
Posted 10/12/2015 1:27 AM (GMT 0)

NKinney said...

halbert said...
Nkinney, I guess I'd say that if I've got to have cancer, I'd prefer what I have to what my co-worker with stage 4 pancreatic cancer has. But that's like saying I'd choose a firing squad over a gas chamber...



Oh my, I don't know if this comment makes me want to laugh or cringe for the sake of newcomers who may really not know better...

I'm really wondering, which one are you saying low-risk prostate cancer is most like: the firing squad or the gas chamber?!?!


There's an old saying: treatment for low risk PC won't make you live longer, it will just make you feel that much older...

I have to agree with NKinney. Many PCa diagnoses do not require intervention. It is the most over-treated form of cancer.

To compare any type of PCa with pancreatic cancer is wildly exaggerating. I can't fathom any basis for that analogy. No cancer is "good", but certainly low-risk prostate cancer is a "better" cancer to have.
Posted 10/12/2015 3:09 PM (GMT 0)
And Andrew's comment comes closer to reality.

Let's keep the sparring matches civil, or I will lock the thread.
Posted 10/12/2015 5:24 PM (GMT 0)
While I've been here for over a year, I have somehow managed to miss these "similar topics". I was just trying to be a bit lighthearted/clever with this, not throw out something that caused a problem. I'll refrain from this topic in the future.
Posted 10/12/2015 5:29 PM (GMT 0)
Thurman...unless I'm misinterpreting something, I don't think there was anything wrong with your initial topic. I believe what 142 is pointing out is that sometimes the "good cancer" versus "bad cancer" discussion that your initial post morphed into can be non-productive.
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