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Posted 12/29/2015 1:56 PM (GMT 0)
Hey! :-)

Have 2 questions. Do you have any experience of this?


Have read that fasting 48 hours before chemo works better. Normal cells are protected while cancer cells are not.

BUT do you know if fasting for a longer period can starve cancer cells? Read that some cancer cells need alot of glucose so it may work for them. Others can survive on glutamine so not sure there. Some mean it can be dangerous and cause the cancer to be more aggressive.


Question 2: There is this theory about acid/alkaline food. They mean juicing of vegetables can be very effective because it breaks down to potassium hydroxide that are able to neuralize the acid within the cells and deliver oxygen. True?
This may be in contast to the ketogenic diet but not sure about that either.

Thank you
Posted 12/29/2015 3:39 PM (GMT 0)
Welcome to HW.

None of these theories has any scientific evidence that they work.

If you use the forum search feature, you'll find lots of threads where these topics have been discussed to death.

Andrew
Posted 12/29/2015 3:50 PM (GMT 0)
Fasting and/or juicing is a healthy habit to get into however and imo it will increase life span generally speaking.
Posted 12/29/2015 6:34 PM (GMT 0)
Welcome to the forum. Tell us a bit about yourself. We may not have particularly good answers to your questions but if you tell us what's going on with you we might be able to answer some questions you haven't thought to ask.

There is a certain amount of research which justifies a degree of interest in the possibilities you mentioned. BUT... The most encouraging results are in non-human studies. The yeast and mouse studies do seem promising but the human studies are so preliminary that the main take-away is that such dietary adjuncts to treatment appear to be well tolerated and have not been catastrophically harmful to the very small number of subjects involved.

Here are some links to studies I found. Please note that the word "murine" means "mouse" and you will see it a lot in these studies. Also note that many of the studies are for a mix of cancer types or for different cancer types and there is not much information here about prostate cancer.

Fasting and cancer treatment in humans: A case series report

Fasting Cycles Retard Growth of Tumors and Sensitize a Range of Cancer Cell Types to Chemotherapy

Ketogenic diets as an adjuvant cancer therapy: History and potential mechanism

Ketogenic diets enhance oxidative stress and radio-chemo-therapy responses in lung cancer xenografts. <== note that it said LUNG cancer.

Obesity and Prostate Cancer: Weighing the Evidence
Posted 12/30/2015 10:53 AM (GMT 0)
Thank you guys! I am writing for a family member. We started with Cannabis, baking soda, juicing vegetables and a vegetarian diet. Before he felt pain now and then (Cancer had spread to bones) but it has disappeared. And he don´t have to urinate as often. Hopefully it´s working.
He has not done either hormonal or chemo yet. We are looking at clinics that use more therapies than just those.

Can you recommend something else?

Post Edited (Arne52) : 12/30/2015 3:58:42 AM (GMT-7)

Posted 12/30/2015 2:13 PM (GMT 0)
Arne,

When you said...
He has not done either hormonal or chemo yet. We are looking at clinics that use more therapies than just those.


it worried me a bit. Most of the best cancer centers offer other therapies -- diet advice, lifestyle coaching, mindfulness training and other counseling -- to improve the outcomes and quality of life of the patients they are also treating with more-conventional therapies such as surgery, radiation, hormones, and chemo therapy. That's the sort of place you should be looking for -- a solid core of proven treatments and any additional, less-conventional add-on treatments that their practice has found helpful to their patients.

Unfortunately, there are also places that offer such unproven treatments instead of the recognized treatments.

So... Juicing? Tinkering with his diet? Why not? Go for it.

But... a man with painful metastases to the bone probably needs to be on some sort of hormone therapy and under the care of a competent medical oncologist. Then you can make with the wheat grass.
Posted 1/1/2016 1:04 PM (GMT 0)

PeterDisAbelard. said...
Arne,

When you said...
He has not done either hormonal or chemo yet. We are looking at clinics that use more therapies than just those.


it worried me a bit. Most of the best cancer centers offer other therapies -- diet advice, lifestyle coaching, mindfulness training and other counseling -- to improve the outcomes and quality of life of the patients they are also treating with more-conventional therapies such as surgery, radiation, hormones, and chemo therapy. That's the sort of place you should be looking for -- a solid core of proven treatments and any additional, less-conventional add-on treatments that their practice has found helpful to their patients.

Unfortunately, there are also places that offer such unproven treatments instead of the recognized treatments.

So... Juicing? Tinkering with his diet? Why not? Go for it.

But... a man with painful metastases to the bone probably needs to be on some sort of hormone therapy and under the care of a competent medical oncologist. Then you can make with the wheat grass.

Thanks :-)
Yes we are very careful.



Have any of you tested pH? I saw a poll online. Out of about 1700 people who had cancer 47% had a saliva pH of 4,5. Reliable?
Posted 1/1/2016 2:05 PM (GMT 0)
again, there are no solid human studies that show that diet makes any significant different to cancer progression. And lots of cautionary ones about 'alternative' treatments. Anecdotal evidence is not evidence.

On the other hand, there is a lot of evidence out there that HT DOES slow down or even stop bone metastisis of prostate cancer, frequently for many years.

Dietary changes can't hurt, they may even help a little with some of the symptoms (pain, etc), but they don't stop cancer.
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