Ornish and PC

Protoman,
here is a link about Spectrum diet that mentions egg whites as allowed;
I eat vegan at Middle East, Indian, Oriental restaurants.

www.happyhealthylonglife.com/happy_healthy_long_life/2011/04/ornish.html

I thought one of the Ornish prostate cancer studies allowed egg white but could find no such reference. Maybe the egg white is only part of Spectrum diet especially for heart health.

Post Edited (RobertC) : 1/30/2016 7:17:23 AM (GMT-7)

I've been following an Ornish style diet so I believe that diet does have an influence on cancer. However, I would like to see a follow-up of the men he was studying to see how they are faring longer term. From what I understand from his book "The Spectrum", egg whites in moderation are permissible on the diet.

My personal view is that diet and lifestyle help but it is not a magic bullet.

Breakfast was also one the meals that I found the most distressing when I changed my diet. There was something about missing out on the bacon and eggs that made me feel like an outsider.

Then I read in Ornish's Spectrum that egg whites are okay.

http://ornishspectrum.com/proven-program/nutrition/

So now I make an egg white omelet - fry up mushrooms and onions in olive oil first, add some spinach and then add the egg whites. Sprinkle the top with vegan cheese and salt and pepper. Have some veggie bacon on the side. The veggie bacon is a little different at first but now I don't know if I would be able to even stomach regular bacon with all the fat.

I also make an egg-white French toast - eggs, cinnamon, vanilla, salt and pepper and a little corn flour to thicken the mix before dipping the bread.

And if you're eating out, most restaurants will be happy to make you an egg white omelet.

Aside from feeling like a member of the family again, it appears that my daughters have also gained a preference for the veggie bacon to the point where I'm sometime annoyed to find that its all been eaten.

tommyc said...
I could be wrong but some things that peak my interest like the Ornish study do not seem popular here, perhaps even frowned upon? I certainly dont want to cause trouble with any crazy ideas.

I came into this site, feeling the same as you, tommy. Which is that because the prevailing current here is totally mainstream, I've been very cautious posting, and did expect to get flamed or banned.

Why? Because my own views, which happen to focus on diet first, happen to be more extreme than anything I have encountered here, and I am about as far from the mainstream as can be, in regard to diet and my opinions about PCa treatments.

As a matter of fact, although I know a diet like the Ornish diet is hard for most people, I look at it, and think, if only it were so easy as that, it would be a piece of cake for me (pun intended).

But, i am happy to report that, although I am not a regular here, I have been treated really well by all the guys on this board, never been flamed even once, and have really developed a lot of respect for the members of this board. Our views may differ a great deal, but we are all dealing with the same calamity in our lives, which has taught us all what a precious thing a life is.

Anyhow, good to see you here, tommy!

I came across a website (think the rules prohibit me posting the link) run by Dr Davis, the author of the book "Wheatbelly", that is the opposite of Ornish, all about low carb, higher fat (and other things).
The participants on the heart forum section, are viciferousky ANTI Ornish. It's so odd that there are so many opposing views, and it's upsetting and confusing to me. There is science supporting both sides, and I'm afraid nobody really knows the true answer, or maybe, as the folks on that other website believe, the answer is different for everyone and there are blood tests that tell you what is best for you.
I've decided to see an endocrinologist who specializes in Lipid control, and is part of the Dept of Cardiology at Mt Sinai in NY (coincidently the hospital I had my prostate surgery at). I saw him about 5,years ago when my PCP/Cardiologist sent me there because with triple meds my triglycerides were still in the 300s. He's very highly credentialed and involved in cutting edge studies, just as important, he spent about 45 minutes with me last time, he's very thorough. While my PCP/Cardiologist is a great guy, and competent, he sees 50-80'patients a day and basically just tells me don't worry you'll be fine.

tommyc said...
"Because my own views, which happen to focus on diet first, happen to be more extreme than anything I have encountered here, and I am about as far from the mainstream as can be, in regard to diet and my opinions about PCa treatments"

Hey Jaybee_007
Whats your approach, care to share, or even email me? Just Diet, or exercise and supplements? Do you have a thread somewhere I could read?

I have read some about green tea and lipid absorption, but not enough to outweigh the multiple benefits?
Also phytic acid which has some anti cancer and heart health properties, I think balance is key.

Out of respect for other members and their choices ( we all have to do as we see fit for our best interests), I am a little restrained about fully expressing myself here, and don't want to be the odd man out too much.

However, my dietary approach is basically ketogenic, which is a high fat, low carb, moderate protein diet. The paleo diet is a ketogenic diet, but not an anticancer diet, as cavemen were big meat-eaters, and apparently liked their dairy, too. Before I had ever heard the word ketogenic, I had settled on a diet which made sense to me. Turned out it was a ketogenic diet, not paleo, but vegan ketogenic. Now that is a really, really hard diet to follow, and I had to change somewhat, on account of the extreme weight loss. Was 30 lbs overweight when I started it, am now 30 lbs underweight.

Back in September, I went full-on paleo, on account of I was doing heavy labor six days a week, and felt too weak on the stricter keto diet, and because of the kidney stones, had to alter my protein intake (meat replaced nuts for protein).

Problem with that is that, without thinking about it (too tired at days' end), I later realized I was consuming more and more meat and dairy every day, less and less vegetables. Too much protein is not good on a keto diet, and, obviously, less veggies is not recommended.

So, in the nearly 2 years I have been dealing with the PCa, I have just about come full circle, and am honing in on the vegan keto diet again. But it is a bear! I haven't entirely quit eating meat, but small amounts (3 oz.) some days, and not every day. Also, very small amounts of cheese. Trying to go back to vegan keto, yet one step at a time, not overly strict. Monitoring protein intake is the hardest part for me, because it is not one way or the other, you need enough, but too much defeats the whole strategy of the diet (in regard to being an anticancer diet, no problem for the paleos). Oh, and if I didn't mention it, grains are strictly verboten on the keto diet. Take meat/poultry/fish/eggs/dairy/fruit(mostly), and grains out of your diet and what is left? lol

I'm getting a little verbose here. I am curious about your outlook, but don't want to take over this thread. Looked for your email, but found none.

Post Edited (Jaybee_007) : 2/9/2016 1:02:25 PM (GMT-7)