An38, sorry, but this needs picking apart for inaccuracies…
An38 said...
JackH said...
Prostate cancer is one of the most common, least lethal types of cancer which has yielded a very large population of "survivors." (A survivor is defined by the American Cancer Society as anyone living who has once been diagnosed with "cancer.")
Prostate cancer is one of the most common cancers but saying it is the least lethal cancer is
implying that very few people die of prostate cancer.
No, that’s not what it “implies.” What it says is that men have a
much higher probability of having or being diagnosed with prostate cancer compared to other cancers (it is one of the most common cancers), but once you are diagnosed with prostate cancer you are
much less likely to die from prostate cancer compared with the likelihood of dying following a diagnosis of other cancers (one of the least lethal types of cancer). As a result of this "math," there are lots (millions living in the US alone) of "survivors."
I think that Dr Nick Vogelzang (oncologist who also happens to treat quite a number of men here at HW/PC) said it quite accurately and concisely. (That sentence was a direct quote.) I want to acknowledge my awareness of, and I'm sure Dr Vogelzang is also acutely aware of, the 26,000 deaths in the US per year.
An38 said...
As we know of course, AS is a perfectly valid treatment choice for those who have the right risk profile.
You may know that, but you are missing the point if you think this collaborative effort was created
for you or other veteran member of HW/PC…it was written for the zillions of men, and particularly those newly diagnosed, who
don’t know this…of course.
An38 said...
Men who have been diagnosed with small amounts of Gleason 6 cancer need to be walked past their immediate impulse to get their prostate out to a more broad set of options and be strongly recommended to consider AS.
This is pretty accurate, but needs refinement: AS can be appropriate for most men with 3+3 (depending on other case characteristics), and for some men with small amounts of 3+4 (again, depending on other case characteristics). Gleason may be the most important determinant of
favorable-risk cases, but it is not the only determinant.
An38 said...
The AS option is without side effects but needs acceptance of the "active" part of "active surveillance" - this requires a patient who has discipline and the mindset to cope with the management of risk.
You have essentially repeated AS Fundamental #4. And regarding the “coping” part, well-established AS programs have demonstrated this can be enabled & enhanced by a solid “patient education” (ref. Klotz).
An38 said...
…deadly cancer and even in the low risk cohort
If this is meant to point out that even a very small percentage of men initially diagnosed with low-risk cases DO eventually seek treatment, fail treatment, progress through other treatment modes, and eventually die of prostate cancer, then
yes, this is correct. But this very small percentage is the SAME percentage as men in the parallel cohort who initially pursued Active Surveillance, eventually progressed, sought treatment, failed treatment and eventually died of prostate cancer. The same. You forgot to mention this additional fact, although it is pointed out in the text of AS Fundamental #3. Pursue treatment or not...the PC mortality is the same for low-risk men. Let that sink in.
Post Edited (JackH) : 12/21/2016 8:27:41 AM (GMT-7)