Sugar and Cancer

That is like the people who smoke cigarettes all their life and never get cancer. That doesn't mean smoking cigarettes is OK. We are all different and things will effect out genes differently. Some peoples bodies can handle the stress put on it by the bad things they do but there are others who can't. When you get really sick you have to get serious about giving your body what it needs to get healthy. It is the bodies job to make you healthy and only the body can do it. That ladies husband could have been me except I was smoking 3 packs of cigarettes a day. I got very sick and had to change my way of living. I believe it is possible to damage the body beyond repair but you have to give it every chance to repair itself. I was lucky and got my health back. I stop putting bad things in my body and gave my body the nutrition it needed to repair itself. Drinking soda, smoking cigarettes, eating process foods and no exercise does not make sense for sick people. The keys to good health are proper diet, proper exercise, proper sleep, and prayer and meditation. Get the information and it is possible to get your health back. One other thing very important you have to believe it is possible.

Perhaps this thread is better moved away from discussion of rigorous science. Much of what any of us learn is learned anecdotally. We live our lives on "anecdotal learning" to as simple as, "Joe ate that mushroom." "Joe soon died." I will avoid mushrooms like that and tell the others they should too. Much later scientists arrived. Had this forum existed there'd be posts on causality versus correlation. Pretty much everyone understands that.

How do we learn to read, to speak, to drive, to keep away from a hot stove? So if some of us, in response to diagnosis, experiment with diet, exercise, stress reduction and find interesting correlation, share it with others - what's the loss?

Cashless - following your lead I responded to a rising PSA a year out from an ORP (.01 - .03 - .06 over 4 months) with your diet plus exercise. Next were .04, then .03, <.014 (different lab) and .03 (original lab). So maybe? It's a healthy diet anyway. I'll stay with it. My goal is to delay ADT as long as possible.

Thank you Cashless.

Wilderness.

Ice cream. How it is that such an innocent, wholesome thing could ever be the center of any controversy under any scenerio is, well.....an example of how cruel, and unfair life can get.

carry on men...

Our bodies are robust but sometime they failed and we got cancer. I don't believe we should connect those failures to our diet. The evidence is extremely weak that changes in diet can influence cancer, but many of us are reading about life changing dietary changes in the media and on the Internet. Most of it are "too good to be true" (= not true).

Today I read this in a Swedish newspaper. Anyone who believes in it and will stop using microwave ovens?

"To eat food prepared in a microwave oven causes permanent brain damage by electrical impulses in the brain.
The long-term eating food heated in a microwave oven causes the cancer cells to multiply in our blood."

Wilderness said...
Perhaps this thread is better moved away from discussion of rigorous science. Much of what any of us learn is learned anecdotally. We live our lives on "anecdotal learning" to as simple as, "Joe ate that mushroom." "Joe soon died." I will avoid mushrooms like that and tell the others they should too. Much later scientists arrived. Had this forum existed there'd be posts on causality versus correlation. Pretty much everyone understands that.

How do we learn to read, to speak, to drive, to keep away from a hot stove? So if some of us, in response to diagnosis, experiment with diet, exercise, stress reduction and find interesting correlation, share it with others - what's the loss?

Cashless - following your lead I responded to a rising PSA a year out from an ORP (.01 - .03 - .06 over 4 months) with your diet plus exercise. Next were .04, then .03, <.014 (different lab) and .03 (original lab). So maybe? It's a healthy diet anyway. I'll stay with it. My goal is to delay ADT as long as possible.

Thank you Cashless.

Wilderness.

Fantastic! I have heard anecdotes that jumping off of a multi-story roof onto rocks with no protection often ends very badly. Though I have yet to see an RCT on this subject. I will still avoid that activity.

Help me out- does Cashless follow a ketogenic/vegan+fish combo diet of sorts? ( but not high fat? ) I can't recall exactly. Regardless, Y'all keep us posted!

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BillyBob@388 said...

island time said...
Ice cream. How it is that such an innocent, wholesome thing could ever be the center of any controversy under any scenerio is, well.....an example of how cruel, and unfair life can get.

carry on men...

I just polished off the last bite of my birthday cake, Devil's food cake with brown sugar icing, often eaten with vanilla ice cream. I even allowed myself 1/2 glass of milk with one piece- that is how I ate it as a kid. Dang it was good.

you never struck me as the self-destructive type BillyBob. guess I was wrong

We are who we surround ourselves with. Gonna have to ignore you now..

Yes, these diets have been shown to be healthful. But they are so restrictive that few will be able to maintain a diet so low in fat.

There is also sufficient evidence that fat is not nearly as much of a problem as earlier thought for cardiovascular issues. There is also some evidence that dairy fat and egg yolks are a problem specifically for prostate cancer.

In my case I am meatless, eat lots of veggies, and do get plenty of fat from lots of nuts and nut butters and fish and olive oil and coconut oil. I limit dairy (coconut or cashew creamers are great in coffee) but do eat some eggs. Even if not specifically linked to prostate cancer, sugar and high carb diets are shown to be enough of a problem in other areas for me to drastically limit sugar and eat relatively low carb.

PDL17 said...
The best information I have seen regarding diets and improving cardiac disease involves low fat, plant based diets espoused by Dean Ornish and Caldwell Esselstyn. This very low fat, meat-less diet reversed coronary plague in many of Esselstyn's patients. I think he has something but the diet is rigid and hard to continue long-term.

Even though low carb diets have shown improvements in blood lipids and blood pressure, I am not familiar with any good evidence showing a reversing of coronary disease. I still wonder whether cholesterol is more of a surrogate marker rather than a cause of disease. I remember when homocysteine was implicated in causing heart disease and many jumped on the folic acid bandwagon.

Regarding prostate cancer, I don't have a strong opinion. Snuffy Myers does not believe sugar adversely affects prostate cancer....but that is just his opinion. I don't believe the science is there to know either way.

Paul

It is very upsetting to some when people say diet means nothing. Fortunately we live in a country of free speech for some. If you are a doctor you have to be very careful of what you say. If you give your patient a path to good health with diet you could be facing jail time. Those doctors have to move to Mexico to practice medicine. I understand some do not want to give up sugar and that is their choice. But telling people that sugar is a good thing is ridiculous. We have a nation full of people with type 2 diabetes and it all because of diet choices. Change is difficult. I remember when i was smoking 3 packs of cigarettes a day. Giving up smoking was the hardest thing I have ever done in my life so I understand how difficult change can be. In my mind I had no choice. I either give cigarettes up or I die. Our government knows cigarettes are bad for your health so why do they allow them to be sold? Wouldn't you think the government wants to keep us all healthy? I had an aunt who smoked all her life. Even when put on oxygen she manage to get her smoking in so some can't give up the bad things. The evidence that sugar is bad is out there. If you are a healthy individual you can get away with it but when you get sick you have to do everything you can to get better. Eating sugar is not a good thing. The money you speak of is being made be big pharma and medical establishment. The good science you refer is being funded by Big Pharma and the Medical Industry. Do you really think their job is to get you healthy and lose their customers. Maybe their job is to make as much money as they can off of sick people. No one is going to make a penny if you give up eating sugar. You don't have to go to Mexico to find a good doctor to tell you this. You have the information.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYWx2HLqIio

Post Edited (eat2bwell) : 1/21/2017 8:33:14 AM (GMT-7)

Very few people would say that diet means nothing. What they say are that changes in diet will probably not slow down the progression of prostate cancer, but most people acknowledge that diet changes are good for health in general and for heart and blood vessels in particular. Also exercise, mindfulness, stop smoking etc are good for your health but those things will probably not slow down your cancer progression either.

JackH said...
It seems that there is enough evidence the diet and exercise can impact PC progression

JackH - show us the evidence - great if it were like that!

BTW, I changed my life style and diet too when my PCa was detected. Maybe I have a small hope that it will make a difference. But my analytic left side of the brain says, no it will not.

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Michael Kattan's comment in the Journal of Urology was quite remarkable, even without mentioning PC "cure." Kattan is a medical statistician, nomogram developer at MSK, and now head of Qualitative Health Sciences at Cleveland Clinic.

"Age, fitness and body weight have a far bigger effect on survival than PSA, Gleason score, or any type of treatment. The diagnosis of prostate cancer should be taken as a helpful wake-up call encouraging men to improve their diet and start exercising."

Diet and lifestyle have impacts. And think it's foolish not to take reasonable precautions in terms of diet and lifestyle for PCa, and for health in general. Ethnic Asians in the US adopting a typical US diet and lifestyle have PCa occurrence higher than that in Asian countries.

Having said that, I still think genetics trumps all. My lifestyle was always pretty positive yet I was dx'd at 61. Think my family history meant this was pre-ordained.

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Passage from the book Anticancer: A New Way of Life, by Dr David Servan-Schreiber, discussing he own personal experience fighting cancer:

I was diagnosed with brain cancer about 16 years ago. I received chemotherapy and went into remission, but the cancer came back and I endured two surgeries and 13 months of chemotherapy. I asked my oncologist if I ought to change my diet to avoid another recurrence. His answer was perfectly stereotypical: "Eat what you like. It won't make much difference."

He was wrong.

The extensive research published in the last decade alone demonstrates that what you eat can have a profound effect on your protection against cancer. But my doctor's answer was hardly surprising. It's a little-known fact that nutrition is barely taught in med schools, where the solution to most problems is a drug. And doctors don't trust patients to make lifestyle changes.

I recall a conversation with a fellow physician at a conference after I spoke on the importance of a healthy diet in fighting disease. "You may be right, David, but people don't want to change," he said. "They just want to take a pill and forget about it." I don't know whether he's right, but after all the study I've done, I know it isn't true for me.

Note, again, that nobody in any of these quotes is talking about cancer "cure."